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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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additional july 8th 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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welcome fade to black yeah how you doing

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bespoke radio

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today is wednesday may 18th

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for kjcr the game changer and i next

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networks i am your host tv church

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what is cracking

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how you doing

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man oh man what a week here

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on fade to black and uh tonight

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randall nickerson joins us we're going

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to be discussing his new film it's

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called aerial phenomenon

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that's right ruba

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africa the school children the contact

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the sighting

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yeah we're going to do all of that

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with open lines all night long

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uh yeah you gotta love technology

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you gotta love technology

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and uh now uh a couple of things uh that

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uh i've let everybody know and and i

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i i forgot to pull the commercials isn't

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that i forgot to have another time

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for the egypt tour been getting emails

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uh from you out there saying that that

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um is june 5th which is in two weeks i

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that's not really too cool

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uh talk to jordan about it all day today

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you can follow me on twitter

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engaging a little bit more on twitter

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if i followed i have you know whatever

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30 000 followers so if i have 30 000

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day that's it right it defeats the

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sorts of rep and then suddenly i've got

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a sword fight you know with somebody

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which in in most cases it's absolutely

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broke all of my own rules in in the last

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and uh and i know it's rare man you

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don't see that from me

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twitter

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oh man thank goodness i got somebody

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managing most of that mess for me

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that's really the truth

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it would just take up all of my time

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it's uh

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because it's a lot of fun but you can

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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and when i when i post that long tweet

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when i do that long reaction

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going after somebody

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you get to catch it right there at j

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church radio hashtag f2b is the sandbox

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hashtag f2bq

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you've been angloed

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algoed you've been algoed what's algoed

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how good is that algorithmed

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it's an interesting way to put it

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peppermint club right there thank you

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for that kaz

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and uh yeah it's gonna be really cool

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it's gonna be a great night too bad cash

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you're not on this side of the pond

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the breaking news

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i like i like feel-good stories

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i do i like feel-good stories like this

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are flying high after a rocket launching

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competition on the other side of the

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country last weekend because

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newport high school team two

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won the national championship at the

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2022 american rocketry challenge

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the largest student rocketry competition

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the team of 10 students bested 99 other

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teams competing in the national finals

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in the plains virginia now they won the

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right to represent the united states at

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the international rocketry challenge at

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the farnborough air show outside of

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000 ducks quacking at the newport high

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finishing second

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an additional 15 000 duckaroos

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the two teams were among two

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in this year's challenge

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absolutely 100

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congratulations

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and that is absolutely amazing did you

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ever do rocket okay so this is

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okay i'm going back to

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i want to have this straight

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because i had the same shop teacher two

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seventh grade shop class

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i'm sure the same curriculum happened

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statewide in indiana this is public

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school 103.

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school it was just ps 103. that's where

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we did a a whole rocket semester

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we built rocket cars out of wood

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that was really cool i i still can't

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believe

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we did this stuff then we built rocket

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rockets

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and uh went out and and launched them

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now this is the deal

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once i found out that there was a

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thing called a rocket engine

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we're going to we're going to the hobby

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store man

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we're buying these rocket engines and

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there was different sizes that you could

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buy and i'm telling you that i'm i'm 11

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years old

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you don't sell an 11 year old kid a

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rocket engine but you could

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and we did

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we would have won uh a rocket

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competition

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just not the sanction kind

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man we were blowing stuff up it was

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taping them together five rocket engines

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with the battery clips going inside

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trying to get them all to ignite at the

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same time

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sometimes they would

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and uh absolutely crazy all right where

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am i at why did i

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why did i do that oh oh so so then

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um made a wooden rocket car but it

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didn't have a rocket engine in the back

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you put a co2 cartridge in and you had

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this little thing with a nail and a and

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uh and a rubber band and you pulled

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about

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pow boom

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right and take off it was a lot of fun

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it was cool it was on a string

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and it would go maybe i don't know i

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think we did them in the hallways of

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school i don't know if we did it outside

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anyway

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but then one day i'm sitting there with

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my friend keith and i was like keith

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check it out the rocket motor fits in

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we actually did that stuff in school i

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just i can't believe it all right in

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1996 a rock from space was found in

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southwestern egypt's great grand great

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sand sea

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the rock was odd even by

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extraterrestrial standards and a team of

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researchers studying the rock's

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chemistry

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now propose

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that it came from

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a supernova

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now think about this for a second the

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rock

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is named

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hypatia

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after a fourth century egyptian

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mathematician

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based on the pattern

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of 15 elements in a three gram sample of

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the stone

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a team of researchers suspects that

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hypatia

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came from well beyond our stellar

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neighborhood i mean way beyond and

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emerged from the gas and dusty

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debris that followed a distant star's

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explosion

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their research is published

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in the journal icarus now

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remember omua our first cavs you are so

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fast with this you know how do you get

360
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my exclusive news break story that only

361
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myself and renee know anything about

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right

363
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uh oh it looks we it looks like we are

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good

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all right

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i am excited

367
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:38,320
about the news that i'm about to bring

368
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you in just a few minutes okay

369
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um where am i at what was i just uh oh

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yeah icarus

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so omua our first interstellar

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visitor right well now uh apparently not

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this one landed

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so there you go and it's an incredible

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incredible looking stone so go and check

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that out now a molar

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thought to have belonged to a denisovan

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girl between the ages of four and eight

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at the time of her death has been

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discovered by an international team of

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researchers in a cave

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are you ready

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in the animite mountains

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in laos

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the cave is only the third location

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where denisovan remains have been found

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and the first in south east asia

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traces of denisovan dna have been found

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in living populations

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in the southeast of asia however

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sediments

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around the tooth

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have been dated to check this 164

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and

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131 000 years ago

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clement zenoli of the university of

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bordeaux

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explained that the child's molar

399
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resembles the teeth in a partial

400
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:04,400
denisovan mandible discovered in a cave

401
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:07,360
on the tibetan plateau

402
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:10,080
and has features that distinguish it

403
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:14,080
from other homo species like you and i

404
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that lived in southeast asia

405
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:18,559
at that time

406
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:20,160
it's an incredible photograph let's see

407
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,600
how long it takes for

408
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:24,240
cavs to get that up

409
00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:31,350
all right

410
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:38,960
it's been nearly eight months since we

411
00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:39,919
last

412
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:44,480
had a teaser trailer for season three of

413
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the orville

414
00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:49,200
in over three years

415
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:52,480
since the second season finale

416
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:55,120
i gave up on orville i i love the show

417
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:57,280
so much i just i had to put it out of my

418
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:00,320
mind it's depressing well

419
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:04,480
season three of orville is finally here

420
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:07,520
and a new episode of season three of the

421
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:08,880
orville

422
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:11,840
is about to hit

423
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:13,760
on june 2nd

424
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:17,760
two weeks two weeks and one will drop

425
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,520
each week from june 2nd forward

426
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:23,520
i think there's 10 glorious episodes

427
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:25,360
coming our way by the way

428
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:28,640
on hulu in the united states together

429
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:30,640
with all of the first and second seasons

430
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:32,799
by the way so you can just binge it all

431
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:33,840
out

432
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:36,480
viewers in belgium canada now i'm

433
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,160
speaking to all of our friends around

434
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:40,400
the world right now here's the update

435
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:43,520
this is how i assist you because we're

436
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:47,200
all family right well viewers in belgium

437
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:48,240
canada

438
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:51,679
denmark hong kong ireland italy

439
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,799
luxembourg norway singapore spain sweden

440
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:57,120
taiwan and the united kingdom

441
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:00,400
can watch on disney plus

442
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,080
write that down

443
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:05,039
with accessibility coming soon for japan

444
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:06,960
and south korea

445
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:09,440
viewers in latin america

446
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:10,880
can watch

447
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,280
on star plus

448
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:15,600
there you go man doesn't that change

449
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:16,640
things

450
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:20,000
i i loved orville so much and i i say

451
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:21,360
that past tense

452
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,400
i mean i loved it so much it was there

453
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,480
were things about it that were divine

454
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:28,080
perfection

455
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:30,320
and it was uh

456
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,520
it was the comedy

457
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:34,799
it was

458
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,960
the cutting edge social commentary

459
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,480
that was happening

460
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:43,200
um the way that we visited our past and

461
00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:44,559
also took a look

462
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:46,840
at the future of our culture

463
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,000
um right there with orville

464
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:52,320
but it was also the design it was the

465
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:55,280
set it it was uh

466
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:56,960
the costumes

467
00:21:03,750 --> 00:20:59,919
uh certainly the the special effects

468
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:03,760
i dug all of that and and for me because

469
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:06,320
it was so sarcastic at points

470
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:08,799
which is my personality that i just

471
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,120
understood it and i got it

472
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:13,919
and i enjoyed it and we had to wait what

473
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:15,760
two years between season one and season

474
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:18,320
two and that drove me nuts

475
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:19,760
and

476
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,919
i think a lot of it is seth macfarlane's

477
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:23,679
fault one he's a perfectionist too he's

478
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:25,120
got too many things going on at the same

479
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:26,480
time right

480
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:27,440
and

481
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:31,280
was

482
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:40,000
thing you know it's been three

483
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:41,440
years

484
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,640
man

485
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,080
you know i thought i drew the line with

486
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,240
the sopranos and what was the other one

487
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,039
game of thrones

488
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,600
where suddenly it was it was just like

489
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:55,280
everything was a two-year wait in

490
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,640
between seasons and that's just

491
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:58,720
outrageous

492
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:01,600
shoot while you're airing the season

493
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:04,159
when everybody gets to take a year off

494
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:06,880
all right but anyway the wait is over

495
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,240
it's going down on june 2nd

496
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,880
and we got to wait once a week all right

497
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,360
now i'm gonna

498
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:17,760
leave you with this bad news

499
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,960
japan's nuclear regulator today approved

500
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,799
plans

501
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,159
are you ready

502
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,880
by the operator of the wrecked fukushima

503
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,480
nuclear plant

504
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:30,000
to release

505
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:31,039
its

506
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,720
treated radioactive wastewater

507
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,240
into the sea

508
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:38,159
next year

509
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:44,159
saying that the outline methods are safe

510
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:47,760
and risk to the environment are

511
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,630
allegedly

512
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,640
that's right

513
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:56,799
radioactive

514
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,720
wastewater

515
00:23:01,990 --> 00:23:00,480
their words

516
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,000
let's get to show cracking on this day

517
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,480
in history 1980 i remember this like it

518
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,559
was yesterday

519
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,440
mount saint helens a volcanic peak in

520
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,520
southwestern washington

521
00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:13,280
erupts

522
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:16,280
killing 57 people and devastating some

523
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:20,080
210 square miles of wilderness

524
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:24,640
on this day in 1980 vader fact

525
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,440
you ready okay sorry now i had you muted

526
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:30,640
sorry who were who was muted who ah

527
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,080
somebody's been muting i love muting

528
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,200
are you muted on twitter you'll never

529
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,280
know

530
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,360
fader fact

531
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,320
in effort to keep morale

532
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,679
high

533
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:47,919
okay

534
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,880
in an effort to keep morale

535
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:52,320
high

536
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,279
for world war ii troops

537
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,200
fighting in the pacific

538
00:24:03,269 --> 00:23:59,360
the british

539
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,279
built a floating brewery

540
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:05,520
they did

541
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,600
the united states

542
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,960
you know because those are british

543
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:10,080
troops and

544
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:10,960
and

545
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,039
the british army you know they know what

546
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,520
they're doing they know what their

547
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,000
troops need so

548
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,720
they built a beer factory

549
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:23,360
the united states

550
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,110
ice cream

551
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,190
and that

552
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,360
is your fader fact

553
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,520
tonight we welcome very special guest

554
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,000
randall nickerson is with us

555
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,960
we had some issues that seem to be

556
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,159
resolved

557
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:45,840
not yet and randall if you're listening

558
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,990
we're going to check all of this during

559
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,200
the break and i'm going to make sure

560
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:55,200
that we are up and ready to go because

561
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:59,279
tonight randall nickerson joins us he is

562
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:00,400
whoa

563
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,760
randall don't don't click on my stuff

564
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,679
randall don't click on

565
00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:08,000
randall's clicking on my stuff no down

566
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,150
here on you

567
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:11,520
[Music]

568
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:14,000
you can't move my stuff around that's

569
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,750
how did he how does he have access to

570
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,360
that i know you're not supposed to have

571
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:23,840
access to the that's that's for the big

572
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:26,640
kids he's a movie director he's a film

573
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,919
director documentarian and his new film

574
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,159
will release on may 20th it is called

575
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,520
ariel phenomenon and uh tonight we are

576
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,919
going to discuss the film his career and

577
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:39,440
so much more

578
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:43,679
this is fade to black oh also um

579
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:54,230
is this

580
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,830
as promised

581
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:59,269
i have two

582
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:00,000
too

583
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,919
this is the deal with the ufo hearing uh

584
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:07,600
that went down

585
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:10,640
just yesterday today today's the 18th

586
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,840
that happened yesterday

587
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,120
and

588
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,279
i knew

589
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:19,679
i mean i was excited and as it after it

590
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,480
ended i i was i was happy i got what i

591
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:24,400
needed did i want more i always want

592
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,520
more

593
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,799
but

594
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:29,279
huge achievements were made big steps

595
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,120
forward it was it was a great day it was

596
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:34,400
exciting but this is how i looked at it

597
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,520
and i i find it funny that more don't

598
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,080
share my point of view i think they are

599
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:41,760
now

600
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:47,110
just the mere

601
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,480
discussion

602
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,320
that we had yesterday

603
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:52,320
will cause

604
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,279
further discussion today that's with

605
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,279
everybody there andre carson and

606
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,360
gallagher and welch

607
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,880
right um

608
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:02,159
and and

609
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:03,520
and

610
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,720
next

611
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,880
and when i say that

612
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,559
you know the department of defense and

613
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:22,799
the navy they threw up their two guys

614
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:24,080
yesterday

615
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:25,120
all right

616
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,159
who is who is congress who is the senate

617
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:33,360
who are they going to invite next

618
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:41,909
and and they just start hearing from us

619
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,880
you know and and i'm i'm serious man

620
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,440
what if they bring a move on

621
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:50,000
um uh what if they bring up richard

622
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,440
dolan

623
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,039
right

624
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,520
what did they bring up dolan to sit

625
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:57,840
there and look at those senators faces

626
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,240
and go this this this this this and this

627
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,240
it's going to be the opposite of what

628
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,159
happened yesterday for sure

629
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,919
okay they had to squeeze they had to

630
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:09,039
bring up

631
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,480
roswell and malmstrom and the wilson

632
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,320
davis document

633
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,399
but what if it's the opposite of that

634
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,799
where the there's piles of if you want

635
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,679
info

636
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:20,799
here

637
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,559
check this out more than you can read

638
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,120
check out my books boom boom boom read

639
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:28,960
those

640
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:31,600
right that's what's happening today and

641
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:36,159
this discussion is going to continue

642
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,480
so much came from the hearing yesterday

643
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,120
you know and and for those out there

644
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,200
that you know that

645
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,600
have been tweeting for

646
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,919
for 12 months and they think they're ufo

647
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,120
researchers

648
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,039
right and you know now they know the

649
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,000
name of uh you know greenwald or green

650
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,320
street or dolan or elizondo they're

651
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:00,799
suddenly you know like experts

652
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,600
they don't you know and and they want

653
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,760
they just want this resolved you know in

654
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:07,840
an instant doesn't work that way

655
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,880
and so for those whatever you know

656
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,240
you're never going to be happy because

657
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,159
you don't know what you're doing

658
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,559
here with us i'm telling you

659
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:17,919
exciting

660
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,640
big-time stuff about to go down i'm

661
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,320
going to take our break right here got

662
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,640
to get this in this is fade to black i

663
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,559
am your host jimmy church

664
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:28,880
tonight randall nickerson the film

665
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:32,080
premieres may 20th it's called ariel

666
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:35,679
phenomenon i have watched it uh at least

667
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:38,240
three times

668
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:39,120
yeah

669
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,399
at least

670
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,080
and we'll discuss other elements that

671
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,720
i've seen a lot

672
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,159
when we come back after this short break

673
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,760
this is faded black i'm your host jimmy

674
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731
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jimmy jimmychurchradio.com radio

732
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:44,230
all right welcome back faded black i am

733
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,470
tonight very special guest randall

734
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,039
nickerson is here

735
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,679
joining us to discuss his new film ariel

736
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,519
phenomenon tomorrow is another fader

737
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,440
night with open lines

738
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,240
all night long randall has been working

739
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,360
in the film industry since 1987 first as

740
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:07,519
a stage in film actor before

741
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:10,240
transitioning into cinematography and

742
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:13,679
ultimately into directing in 2001.

743
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:16,159
after several short documentaries he

744
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,679
made the leap to his first

745
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,399
feature-length film aerial phenomenon

746
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,079
he's also an accomplished photographer

747
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,760
and you can visit his personal page for

748
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,760
that stuff and it's uh pretty amazing

749
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,159
and go and check it out all of the links

750
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:30,879
for randall are right there on our

751
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:33,200
website and throughout social media and

752
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,720
i would like to welcome for the first

753
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:35,599
time

754
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:38,879
uh to fade to black uh randall nickerson

755
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,079
a film director who hasn't got

756
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,560
his camera running

757
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,079
and uh

758
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:48,079
i've i've

759
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,839
randall how are you doing

760
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:52,320
good how are you sir well i'm doing

761
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,359
great

762
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,919
good luck to see you yeah i'm trying to

763
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,760
figure that out here

764
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,440
you know see the thing is they don't

765
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:02,160
teach you this in film school

766
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,079
they don't you know you go through all

767
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,320
of that okay while you are uh busy

768
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,760
clicking

769
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,720
uh

770
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,800
if this is this is great while you're

771
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,400
busy clicking

772
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:14,160
um i'm gonna give you the first time

773
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,599
guest disclaimer which is

774
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,359
uh randall it's just you and i sitting

775
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,040
on my couch having a conversation as

776
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,960
friends and sure that conversation

777
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,400
starts it starts where it ends it ends

778
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:26,160
but we're going to end his friends

779
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,599
and uh just maybe we will get the stuff

780
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,079
worked out tonight but the show must go

781
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,880
on and i'm going to start i actually

782
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:36,720
want to start here

783
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:40,640
um there are so many um i got to throw

784
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:43,280
you the softball obvious question

785
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,320
sure um

786
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:46,960
what got your interest not about ariel

787
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,079
but in the subject in general what got

788
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,160
you started there was it a crazy aunt or

789
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:54,480
uncle when you were growing up

790
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,680
no

791
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:57,359
um

792
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,359
yeah i don't really talk about it too

793
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:00,880
much um

794
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:03,920
but yeah i had seen something that uh

795
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,480
opened my eyes so to speak you know what

796
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,640
do you see well i i just don't want to

797
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,560
go too into it's you know i don't want

798
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:13,040
to take away from the story of

799
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,280
these kids and ariel

800
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,960
but i did see something that you know

801
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:18,560
spurred on my interest

802
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:19,440
and

803
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:22,640
curiosity of like what what was that

804
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,839
right right how old were you

805
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:27,920
a young kid actually

806
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,720
and were you old enough to

807
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,200
uh understand or

808
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:35,359
you know

809
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:41,280
uh 13 years sure sure i've done the same

810
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:42,720
thing and

811
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:45,520
and here's the thing um i'm a dude

812
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:47,839
you're a dude you know and when you're

813
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,240
when you're a young dude we're into

814
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,400
helicopters and airplanes and rockets

815
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,480
and we all we always wanted to be an air

816
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:56,079
force pilot right

817
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,520
totally

818
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:59,280
and so when

819
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,000
when you go through that now that's not

820
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,040
an exclusively a little boy thing

821
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,280
you know girls go through that too i'm

822
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:09,520
sure to some degree but

823
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:10,240
but

824
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:13,359
with with boys everybody wanted to be a

825
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:15,920
pilot that's just that was the rules

826
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:19,920
and and you know the difference between

827
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,480
a plane and a helicopter you know the

828
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,079
difference between a helicopter and a

829
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,960
rocket or the goodyear blimp and if you

830
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,800
see something in the sky that doesn't

831
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:31,200
fit anything that you're an expert on at

832
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:34,480
the age of 10 right or whatever

833
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,839
you know that you're seeing something

834
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,119
different right

835
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,359
yeah i mean i was building models since

836
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,160
i was really young and i you know that

837
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,320
was my dream to be an air force pilot to

838
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:45,680
be honest with you

839
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:48,640
um i do fly now i'm a pilot now so it's

840
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:51,359
all right yeah and um

841
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,640
but yeah i mean i even as a ten-year-old

842
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:56,640
uh i didn't

843
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,960
i mean i knew a lot about aircraft and

844
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:01,040
helicopter i was building them i still

845
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:07,510
but yeah that uh when you see something

846
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:10,640
really different that just uh

847
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:15,990
yeah yeah yeah and so you ended up

848
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,400
blocking it out um

849
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:20,560
you said for 13 years

850
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,440
what what caused you

851
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,760
to recall it

852
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,240
and and did you remember it like you

853
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,560
think you remembered it

854
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:32,320
oh yeah i didn't recall it it happened

855
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:33,599
again

856
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:36,720
oh really yeah oh i i thought we were

857
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,000
going to talk about the movie we're

858
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,720
talking about we'll talk about the movie

859
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:42,640
i don't want to get too too down my own

860
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,440
i mean i it's i i just my intention as a

861
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,000
director was not really to talk about my

862
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:49,680
and you shouldn't you should tell my

863
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:52,560
personal story so much because um you

864
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:53,680
know

865
00:39:04,630 --> 00:38:54,480
i

866
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:04,640
um

867
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,680
i don't know i just don't want to

868
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,079
distract from them their story

869
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,079
you don't you and and you and you won't

870
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,320
but here's the deal randall

871
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,359
uh you're right uh never put yourself in

872
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:17,839
the middle of what you're doing right

873
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:20,640
yeah i try not to do it on this show but

874
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:24,160
it is my job to get your personal stuff

875
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,839
out of you of course

876
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:28,480
and i'm really good at it you are good

877
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:29,359
at it

878
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,640
really good okay but but but now here's

879
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,079
the thing

880
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:37,440
when we look at what is going on today

881
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,839
and ariel uh and certainly with uh our

882
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:43,200
community

883
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:47,040
is a subject and an event that we

884
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,560
discuss a lot

885
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,440
um it is well researched we've got lots

886
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:53,200
of very smart people out there that have

887
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,800
looked into this over the years and

888
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:56,560
myself included

889
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,720
um now i had told uh when when i was

890
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,640
first told about the film

891
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,720
and you know from chrissy

892
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,440
i told chrissy then i said i've seen all

893
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:09,839
of the john mack footage right and i

894
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,560
still have it on in in high def on my

895
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:14,720
computer and it was sent to me many

896
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:15,920
years ago

897
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,280
and i have absolutely done the deepest

898
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:21,599
dives that i can do into this and this

899
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:23,920
film will be important to me i want to

900
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,000
see how randall handles this and i

901
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,400
hadn't even seen it yet i didn't know

902
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,400
that john mack or i didn't know about

903
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,560
any of that with the film right she was

904
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,240
just telling me

905
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,240
uh about it and

906
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,040
would i be interested in checking it out

907
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,520
and i was so excited

908
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,079
uh knowing that somebody like you was

909
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:46,319
going to take the reins here

910
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:50,000
okay so and then at the same time ariel

911
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:51,040
is

912
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,839
we've got ufo hearings going on on

913
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,119
capitol hill

914
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:58,720
and and so

915
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:01,680
uh combined with all of that in your two

916
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,079
sightings and maybe more

917
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:07,040
that all of this has led you down

918
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:10,240
a path to one of the most exciting times

919
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:10,960
in

920
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:16,800
what is profound your own personal

921
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,560
uh journey

922
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:20,400
is our journey

923
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:25,270
uh

924
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,720
thanks it's been a rough one

925
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:30,480
you know what i mean uh

926
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,390
yeah

927
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:36,960
a rough and what aspect in in the making

928
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:39,760
of the film oh yeah that too and your

929
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,079
and or your personal journey just a

930
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,160
lifetime just knowing you know no matter

931
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,800
what i did in my life when uh you see

932
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,040
this stuff um

933
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:51,280
it changes your life in a deep profound

934
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,319
way

935
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,000
and

936
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,640
all what you all you can do is speak up

937
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,680
you know

938
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:00,240
someday and try to just just let people

939
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,240
know like guys we gotta we've got a

940
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:03,920
problem here

941
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,839
like literally we we've got something

942
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,319
way bigger going on that we should be

943
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,240
paying attention to but it's you know

944
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:13,200
it's it was hard a lot and still is to

945
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:14,400
some degree

946
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,400
but um for people to realize that uh

947
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,160
there's something more intelligent more

948
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,800
evolved more sophisticated

949
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:24,160
um

950
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,440
when you relate to

951
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:35,440
ariel and

952
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,240
what the government there

953
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,319
and also the school system

954
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:43,680
and you had the local news everybody in

955
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:47,599
town was involved in this at some point

956
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:49,119
that

957
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:55,280
than they were leading on just like we

958
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:57,200
look at our government over here in the

959
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,800
united states or the united kingdom or

960
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,800
australia it doesn't matter

961
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,720
where you pointed at

962
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,160
that

963
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,960
the state actors of the world

964
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,359
are aware of the phenomenon that

965
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:10,960
sometimes things happen out of their

966
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:14,319
control like ariel

967
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,200
um

968
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,359
yeah the well the zimbabwean government

969
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,440
said uh you know when their air force

970
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,599
said their radar was out

971
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:23,520
um

972
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:24,880
convenient

973
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:27,920
yeah so and uh when you go into research

974
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,560
this and uh the original reporter

975
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,960
from the bbc did this as well and they

976
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,560
told them the same thing

977
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,920
um

978
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:36,720
so

979
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,760
yeah it's it's it's uh

980
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,520
quite an interesting story there's so

981
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:52,079
many people that were were there

982
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,760
and had witnessed some pretty strange

983
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,160
things not even at the school

984
00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:58,560
now what was the synchronicity that

985
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,430
uh

986
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,480
i had finished a 16-minute film and i

987
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,880
was sharing it around with people we

988
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,880
have like little five ten people

989
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,160
gatherings

990
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,640
and i showed it to this uh

991
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:17,280
woman dominique and uh

992
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,839
she was a friend of john max and

993
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,599
she loved she she really liked it and

994
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:24,400
she asked me right after i played it

995
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,359
if

996
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,119
i would be interested in doing

997
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,880
a movie on those kids because i

998
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:31,280
remembered the first time i'd seen

999
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:34,960
those clips which was in 1995

1000
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:35,839
uh

1001
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:38,400
so yeah 12 years later i said yes and

1002
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:39,359
then

1003
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,960
just worked with the mac material for a

1004
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,400
while and then

1005
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,160
said i got to go to aerial school i have

1006
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:46,079
to find it you know

1007
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:47,520
and um

1008
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,400
did that found it and then realized uh

1009
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,640
there were other media that recorded

1010
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,160
interviews

1011
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,230
it was um quite a journey of seeing more

1012
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:02,960
and more archival footage and being

1013
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:05,680
convinced from a lot of that you know

1014
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,119
and a lot of the details and

1015
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:11,040
i just it stands out

1016
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,319
and uh

1017
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,280
just amazing story did you know

1018
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:17,359
um

1019
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,079
did you know who john mack was

1020
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:22,720
yeah yes

1021
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,599
and

1022
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:25,119
now it's it

1023
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,800
how did you

1024
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:29,200
okay so when you find out that you know

1025
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:32,960
john mack packs up right heads over uh

1026
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,520
thankfully with the best video equipment

1027
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:37,280
that he could get

1028
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,119
um and and and shot and interviewed

1029
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:43,200
stayed hung out

1030
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,640
did uh did a town hall or two right i

1031
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:48,160
mean it's just pretty extraordinary

1032
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,119
stuff

1033
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,520
um and that it was all preserved and

1034
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:54,160
archived and and that these files were

1035
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,280
available

1036
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:57,680
shot pristine

1037
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:00,960
right wide screen you know

1038
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,680
and and how how surprised were you that

1039
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,240
uh john mack took it to that level

1040
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,160
um i was

1041
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,720
it didn't surprise me so much i knew he

1042
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:11,920
was good at

1043
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,520
uh documenting and recording audio

1044
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,280
uh because he does he'd been doing it

1045
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:18,720
his whole career

1046
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,079
and uh as a psychiatrist and um

1047
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,640
so when i um

1048
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:26,800
when i started to find the material you

1049
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,599
know

1050
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:29,040
nobody had found that a lot of that

1051
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,800
material um because i had run into

1052
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:35,200
people that um

1053
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,359
that were there that day that were

1054
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,599
reporters and and i asked them do what

1055
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:41,520
do you have did you save anything and

1056
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,560
they all said yeah i saved everything

1057
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,880
every single reporter said i saved

1058
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,960
everything they're little notes you know

1059
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,240
video

1060
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,119
and i mean there's vide there's only one

1061
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,720
person me and one other person that has

1062
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,720
a tape of the kids that interviewed like

1063
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,640
two weeks later but it was the

1064
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,960
accumulation of all the archival that

1065
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,200
was really fascinating and then also on

1066
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,960
john mack's story

1067
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:05,839
you know

1068
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:08,319
you took an approach now i will do my

1069
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,390
not spoil anything but there are some

1070
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:16,640
moments in this film

1071
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,359
that i would like to touch upon but more

1072
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:21,119
more so than that

1073
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,880
i thought that the approach to the film

1074
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,520
and the way that you decided to make it

1075
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,280
was very interesting

1076
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,760
in that you decided to

1077
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:33,680
um and didn't correct me if i'm wrong

1078
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:35,119
right like jimmy you're way out of

1079
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:36,800
bounds that's not what i meant to do but

1080
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,280
this is how i saw it that you chose to

1081
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:43,839
look at the hero's journey

1082
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:46,400
of from the perspective of two people

1083
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:47,520
that were there

1084
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:51,200
and one is you know a a reporter

1085
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,599
a camera a war

1086
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:55,200
you know photographer

1087
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,559
and and

1088
00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:59,040
one of the child witnesses

1089
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,640
and and to to echo their journey and

1090
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,880
then weave through that

1091
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:07,040
the facts and the sound bites in the

1092
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,950
yeah

1093
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:14,319
um

1094
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,390
bounce back and forth in time you know

1095
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,079
that was one of the challenges i had in

1096
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,319
making the film

1097
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,760
look easy

1098
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,000
oh well it took a long time it to craft

1099
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,160
a film without a narrator is really

1100
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,040
difficult right i mean the entire every

1101
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,720
you know all the people that were are in

1102
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,119
that movie are first person witnesses no

1103
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,599
second person no third person

1104
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,760
they're all first person you know to the

1105
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,839
story or to the event

1106
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:47,839
so yeah it was it was re it was like

1107
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:51,040
building a massive you know 10 000 piece

1108
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,480
puzzle

1109
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:54,640
that's it took forever

1110
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:55,359
but

1111
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:59,200
now what what's it like uh emotionally

1112
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:00,720
to

1113
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,599
lives were wrecked because of this but

1114
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,079
certainly uh

1115
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,640
the paths of these two could have gone

1116
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:13,280
in another direction if uh

1117
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:16,559
if ariel wasn't involved and

1118
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,680
when

1119
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,359
you know what i mean and you have to as

1120
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:22,000
a director you have to deal with this

1121
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,950
correct

1122
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,960
and everybody deals with it differently

1123
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,079
you know

1124
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:34,559
um that i worked with and

1125
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,760
met and uh yeah they

1126
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:39,520
some people struggle with it more and

1127
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,480
some some people in my opinion

1128
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,359
they just um block it out you know they

1129
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,760
know what happened but they'd rather

1130
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,720
um

1131
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,720
not think about it which i understand to

1132
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,440
a certain level sure sure now let's set

1133
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,280
up before we uh

1134
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,440
uh hit the break here

1135
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,760
for those that may not know what we're

1136
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,200
talking about

1137
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,040
let's get down to the fundamentals when

1138
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:05,359
we talk about the ariel event what was

1139
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:06,800
it

1140
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:10,079
in a

1141
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:11,200
rural

1142
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:12,319
primals

1143
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,359
primal

1144
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:15,520
rural primary school

1145
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:16,480
uh

1146
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:19,760
in zimbabwe um

1147
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,599
and the children were on recess in at

1148
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:25,680
the ariel school which

1149
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,480
is a very large playground just so you

1150
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:30,319
know it's a very

1151
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:33,359
large campus it's almost like a college

1152
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,319
size as far as fields

1153
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:38,319
and they witness this craft in the air

1154
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:39,599
first

1155
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:41,920
and then they and then it came down in

1156
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,079
in the area of their cross-country

1157
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,599
course which was

1158
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,680
outside of their boundaries that they

1159
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:49,760
could cross every day you know up to

1160
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:51,200
beyond playground

1161
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:52,160
and

1162
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,680
uh to

1163
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,520
creatures came out of that

1164
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,880
that silver

1165
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:58,880
oval thing as they describe it or some

1166
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:01,920
of the indigenous people described it as

1167
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,559
to a basket with another basket on top

1168
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,520
of it

1169
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,800
or a rock

1170
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:09,040
that was oval it was fascinating

1171
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:10,000
actually

1172
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:11,280
um

1173
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:17,200
the playground toward these kids

1174
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:19,040
and there was some kind of contact

1175
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,240
between them that according to them came

1176
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,680
through their heads

1177
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:26,000
you know psychic

1178
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,599
i mean that's all i can think about is

1179
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,440
that um

1180
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:31,440
you know communication and some of those

1181
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:34,000
communications the kids were about

1182
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:35,119
um

1183
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:36,400
some of the things we're doing on this

1184
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,839
planet

1185
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,079
they're um

1186
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,559
immediately that day the day that this

1187
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,839
goes down

1188
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:44,880
and

1189
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:50,079
right i know that we've got a couple of

1190
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,160
different head counts yeah

1191
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,559
the reason why is it we just

1192
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,400
we we need to have all the witnesses

1193
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,480
come forward and not all of them drew

1194
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:00,880
pictures so yeah yeah no i've read the

1195
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:02,839
same thing over the years and it was

1196
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:05,599
really it was excellent for you to have

1197
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,400
the same numbers that uh we've all been

1198
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,400
familiar with so you know you're

1199
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:12,559
covering this story you're making this

1200
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:13,839
film and you're coming up with the same

1201
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,040
numbers you know

1202
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:17,760
things didn't shrink or get exaggerated

1203
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,079
you know it's always been that that 60

1204
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,800
to 90. but anyway so that day

1205
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,559
the kids

1206
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,119
are have freaking lost their minds

1207
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,200
right they're running around they're

1208
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:31,040
they're doing their thing and

1209
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:32,400
and now when kids

1210
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:33,680
that age

1211
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,200
uh run into school and are trying to

1212
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:39,520
attract the attention of adults

1213
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,240
about little green men

1214
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,200
they're not going to get listened to

1215
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,839
that's i'm not gonna listen to it as an

1216
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:49,920
adult okay all right little green man

1217
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,400
great now go back outside and play

1218
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,400
and it would that was that was that was

1219
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,160
more or less what was going down on day

1220
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:58,720
one that's that's pretty much true

1221
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,200
that's what that's what happened

1222
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:03,839
yeah yeah and and

1223
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,880
the the foundations that were laid out

1224
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,119
on day one

1225
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,000
um by day two

1226
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,800
do do you feel that i haven't even

1227
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:16,880
gotten to day three but that the game

1228
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:21,119
telephone comes into play a little bit

1229
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:22,000
yes

1230
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:23,680
uh actually you know

1231
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,400
what really changed it was the kids went

1232
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,280
home and told their parents

1233
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:30,640
and then all the parents called the

1234
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:31,760
school

1235
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,800
like what happened to my kid

1236
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,280
he's she he she's talking about aliens

1237
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:39,520
like some we're seeing some weird things

1238
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:40,480
and

1239
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:45,280
that's how the bbc got involved

1240
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:48,640
now um and and so that's day two

1241
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:51,440
and and now you know the headmaster the

1242
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:55,040
teachers um and other adults right that

1243
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,040
are there they've they've now

1244
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:59,119
got to deal with this directly

1245
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,160
um and then if we back up to minus you

1246
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:04,000
know the day before

1247
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:06,079
and and the week before

1248
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,839
were there sightings in zimbabwe

1249
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:11,680
yes and and that's that's pretty

1250
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,079
significant were those sightings

1251
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,240
in the news were they reported would

1252
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,880
this have been anything that the kids

1253
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:20,960
would have heard

1254
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:25,349
well i do you know i i

1255
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:29,520
i don't know i know that there was uh

1256
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:32,079
you know this uh rocket body re-entry

1257
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:34,000
like on a wednesday night

1258
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,880
right

1259
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:36,559
and uh

1260
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:37,920
uh

1261
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:40,160
that week and then

1262
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,079
you know i was really focused on that as

1263
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:44,000
a possibility like did they

1264
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,599
hear or was this talk about that that um

1265
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:49,200
made them create a story or something

1266
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:50,400
that was one of my

1267
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:51,280
you know

1268
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,240
pr prop uh propositions

1269
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:55,839
um

1270
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,640
and then i started to find people that

1271
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:00,640
were seeing had seen things on the day

1272
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,440
after ariel the day before ariel the

1273
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:05,280
thursday night those were pilots that

1274
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,400
saw that thing

1275
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,319
right so

1276
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:10,400
i mean i i just had a lot of respect for

1277
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:13,040
them to even come on camera

1278
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:16,720
um but that kind of ruled out the

1279
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:17,520
uh

1280
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:24,480
the second stage and

1281
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:25,680
and you know

1282
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,480
good

1283
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:32,230
and and but but here's the thing

1284
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,359
what the kids were describing and i only

1285
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,359
bring this up because over the years

1286
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:39,200
different researchers have looked into

1287
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:42,799
this and have had found reports of ufo

1288
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:45,119
sightings leading up to

1289
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,400
uh

1290
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,440
ariel and and immediately after

1291
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:51,119
but these weren't reports that the kids

1292
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,400
would have

1293
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:54,480
ever have known about

1294
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,599
and in some cases they were in the next

1295
00:56:03,190 --> 00:55:59,839
country in africa it wasn't necessarily

1296
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,200
zimbabwe right and and so what the kids

1297
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:06,319
saw was a singular event that was their

1298
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:07,440
event

1299
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,480
and uh let's face it this is zimbabwe

1300
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:12,240
it's not like you have

1301
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:15,680
um you know the internet and and 200

1302
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:17,680
cable channels coming in

1303
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,000
uh to to get your news every single day

1304
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:21,839
that's that's simply not the case this

1305
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:24,400
is this is rural zimbabwe

1306
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:25,760
yeah

1307
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:28,640
that's true um

1308
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:34,390
well yeah i gotta tell you like there

1309
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:38,000
was a report from somebody at the school

1310
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:42,870
workers at the school

1311
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:45,280
the following after ariel happened came

1312
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:49,280
in and made a report of what he saw

1313
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,400
so

1314
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,760
and there were things going on i mean

1315
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:53,440
there's so many different events that

1316
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,640
happened it was unfortunate because

1317
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,760
there was so much uh that was happening

1318
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:01,839
outside the school reports that were

1319
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,559
happening outside the school that

1320
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,799
a lot of the focus was on the school

1321
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,400
of course you know

1322
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,079
um but there

1323
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,040
it's even i found um

1324
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,359
there were so many rabbit holes to go

1325
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,200
down to look and see what's what was

1326
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,680
there more than i could handle

1327
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,200
i don't mean to rabbit holes in a

1328
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:23,040
negative sense just that

1329
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,799
there's so much information yeah there

1330
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:26,799
were so many leads there were so many

1331
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:30,160
things like i i just couldn't chase down

1332
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:31,040
um

1333
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,559
it's just a matter of time you know it's

1334
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,160
just time

1335
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:37,200
but i did the best i could for sure now

1336
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:39,760
when we come back uh

1337
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:40,799
uh

1338
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,599
we're gonna jump i i want to stay on

1339
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:45,520
well obviously i want to stay on day one

1340
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:47,119
it was only one day

1341
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:51,040
but but but day one is very important uh

1342
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:52,400
because

1343
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,559
all of this affected um how john mack

1344
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:58,640
was contacted and how the bbc got

1345
00:58:02,789 --> 00:57:59,839
involved

1346
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:02,799
um some of this is in the film but i'm

1347
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,440
i'm interested on on how all of this

1348
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,200
transpired because

1349
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,599
synchronicities are crazy

1350
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:11,200
and unless you follow up on a

1351
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:12,640
synchronicity

1352
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,520
uh

1353
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,000
the synchronicity just goes away

1354
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,799
ariel was a string of synchronicities

1355
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,480
and it was a crazy connection of the

1356
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:23,040
dots man and uh that's that's what i

1357
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,119
want to go through uh when we come back

1358
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,760
after the break this is fade to black i

1359
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:29,520
am your host jimmy church

1360
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:32,960
tonight with this right here i i assure

1361
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:36,480
you randall nickerson is here he's just

1362
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:39,680
in the dark maybe we'll get his video up

1363
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,160
when we come back after this short break

1364
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,720
i am your host jimmy church

1365
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,799
this is fade to black

1366
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:49,440
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1367
00:58:59,070 --> 00:58:51,599
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1368
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:13,990
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1369
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:16,150
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1370
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1424
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ghosts bigfoot and ufos and by now you

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know that we have our own x-blog the

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1439
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1440
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1441
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as we set out to explain the unexplained

1442
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1446
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:37,039
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1447
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1448
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1449
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1450
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1451
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1452
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1453
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,630
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1454
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1455
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1456
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,760
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1457
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:09,680
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1458
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not by just going to our membership

1459
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1460
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,309
hello this is serena wright taylor from

1461
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,640
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1462
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:23,039
to fade to black with jimmy church who

1463
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:25,359
holds the lucky pony record for the best

1464
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astrological chart since 1963. true

1465
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:30,880
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1466
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:32,559
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

1467
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:34,160
report and you're listening to jimmy

1468
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:37,110
church on fade to black

1469
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:57,750
all right welcome back feed to black i

1470
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:59,119
am your host jimmy church welcome to

1471
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:01,200
everybody listening and watching all

1472
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,119
around the world

1473
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:05,680
and uh yeah tonight our guest is randall

1474
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:07,839
nickerson and the film is ariel

1475
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:11,520
phenomenon it premieres on may 20th

1476
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,760
i've got the links up uh for the film

1477
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,839
you can go and pre-order and and get

1478
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:16,799
ready

1479
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:19,680
um i can assure you this is this is a

1480
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,520
film that uh

1481
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,440
not only are you gonna want to see but

1482
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:24,960
you need to see

1483
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:26,960
and having

1484
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:29,200
uh the perspective

1485
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:31,039
of of kids

1486
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:34,000
that's the thing now uh but here i am

1487
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:34,960
with a

1488
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:36,720
a film director

1489
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,559
in the dark

1490
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,559
randall lickerson we tried to get it

1491
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,640
everybody uh during the break

1492
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,039
and uh we just can't get his video

1493
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:47,280
running so you guys can look at my mug

1494
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:50,400
tonight and just picture randall

1495
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:54,160
sitting in the dark he's actually there

1496
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,960
but he's in the dark and so i'll keep up

1497
01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:58,640
on the screen and just in case a miracle

1498
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:02,400
happens now um now here's okay now um i

1499
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:04,720
live in hollywood uh randall i'm right

1500
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:08,079
here in the middle of

1501
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:09,359
you know i'm in the middle of it it's

1502
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:10,480
great

1503
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,200
but

1504
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:13,839
one of the things about uh this

1505
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:15,839
community which is hollywood and los

1506
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:19,280
angeles and the san fernando valley and

1507
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:21,280
every film production company is here

1508
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:24,160
all the actors are everything is here

1509
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:25,599
which means

1510
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:29,280
it doesn't matter what your job is

1511
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:30,880
you're a film critic

1512
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:32,000
right

1513
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:33,520
everybody here

1514
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,960
and my gardener knows more about

1515
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:38,880
screenwriting

1516
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:41,119
right and it's it's just amazing it's

1517
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:42,960
great i i love it

1518
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:46,720
uh but we all also appreciate the art

1519
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:50,559
and the way that this film is shot i

1520
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,000
want to continue on day one

1521
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:56,720
of the event because

1522
01:06:02,390 --> 01:05:59,839
you are able to in the film

1523
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:02,400
you have access to all of the high-res

1524
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:05,520
original footage that was shot back then

1525
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:07,599
and you can see the expanse in

1526
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:09,280
widescreen

1527
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:12,000
of this area of the school and you are

1528
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:13,680
able to capture that and then you go

1529
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:15,119
back today

1530
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:17,760
and also frame this uh

1531
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,359
the same way

1532
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:21,520
and you now have the tools to

1533
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:23,039
artistically

1534
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:26,319
present a pretty cinematic film did you

1535
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:29,200
do that by intention instead of taking a

1536
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:31,920
documentary approach to it

1537
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:33,760
and instead took this

1538
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:37,359
this beautiful cinematic approach

1539
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:40,960
um yeah i just love

1540
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:42,880
nature and wildlife i mean that's really

1541
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:46,400
what got me started in film and cameras

1542
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:47,359
and

1543
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:49,440
um so when i looked at the story i was

1544
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,039
looking at it from that kind of same

1545
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:53,680
perspective like oh this is just a

1546
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,000
different form of wildlife and

1547
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,880
it affected human beings and uh

1548
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:00,559
um

1549
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:03,359
and and it took place in africa

1550
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,319
so

1551
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:06,559
africa actually is a big character in

1552
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:09,440
the film that's right because it in to

1553
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,280
me when i first went there i was like

1554
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:13,440
where i felt like i was on another

1555
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,559
planet

1556
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:16,319
i mean it was like jurassic park over

1557
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:17,200
there

1558
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:18,559
and uh

1559
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:21,359
it really it's just uh it's a very

1560
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,839
stunning place not not always the safest

1561
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:25,280
but stunning

1562
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:27,440
what you see there and uh

1563
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:30,640
so i wanted to show that as as you know

1564
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:33,039
it's just an incredible incredible

1565
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,720
backdrop you know

1566
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:36,160
what did you

1567
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:38,720
what went through your mind

1568
01:07:44,990 --> 01:07:40,079
when

1569
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:45,000
these kids one after another

1570
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:48,720
described some pretty strange

1571
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:50,720
movement

1572
01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:54,000
with these two uh entities bodies

1573
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:55,839
species whatever you want to say race of

1574
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,880
aliens

1575
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:58,559
that were in front of them

1576
01:08:02,549 --> 01:07:59,920
the way that they described the

1577
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:02,559
movements the way they walked

1578
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:03,920
the speed

1579
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:06,000
uh the way that it affected them

1580
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:07,680
visually

1581
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:10,160
that's pretty bizarre we've all heard

1582
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:12,000
different encounters

1583
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:14,000
from witnesses around the world we hear

1584
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:15,599
it all the time

1585
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:18,719
what happened in in zimbabwe with these

1586
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:20,080
children

1587
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:21,920
was certainly

1588
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:23,199
different

1589
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:24,640
uh what did you what did you make of

1590
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:27,199
that description of movement

1591
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,560
i thought it was

1592
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:30,799
from doing other research into other

1593
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,759
cases i i found it's similar

1594
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,319
as far as behavior

1595
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:38,400
you know

1596
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:40,560
well i mean i mean it was unique in the

1597
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,960
in the fact that these creatures were in

1598
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:43,920
black

1599
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:46,239
that's a rather unique report i did

1600
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:48,640
research into it i only found three

1601
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,719
others like that um in africa right and

1602
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:54,719
oh and they were back in 1960 in the

1603
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:56,239
1960s

1604
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:57,679
um

1605
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:01,359
am i answering your what like no

1606
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,120
i'm not sure well you can answer you can

1607
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:05,199
answer any way you want i don't know how

1608
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:07,839
to ask a question but

1609
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:08,640
here's

1610
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:09,839
but yeah

1611
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,159
you're right what i was going at

1612
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:14,400
they were describing

1613
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:15,759
it

1614
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:17,199
moving

1615
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,799
from side to side very quickly but in

1616
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:22,400
slow motion

1617
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:23,120
right

1618
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:26,640
and and and almost dancing sometimes and

1619
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:30,080
and this very a rat and for for children

1620
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:32,000
to have a description like that they

1621
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:33,600
didn't get that from tv

1622
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:36,400
right this is what they actually saw

1623
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,080
it's really unique i mean there's

1624
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:40,640
there's a few others like this case that

1625
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,319
where the descriptions are the same oh

1626
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:44,480
by the way they they didn't dance

1627
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:46,799
just just sitting they didn't do it

1628
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,600
again

1629
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,199
that was my word i was trying to be

1630
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,600
funny but okay okay i just wanted to get

1631
01:09:54,580 --> 01:09:54,000
the factual information nobody was

1632
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:54,590
dancing

1633
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:55,840
[Laughter]

1634
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:58,719
um but yeah they described running in

1635
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,679
slow motion but yet it was fast

1636
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:03,920
that's a weird thing to say right to put

1637
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:06,400
it all in one sentence it it it's just

1638
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:07,440
one

1639
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,320
uh

1640
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:10,320
set of paradoxes it just doesn't make

1641
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,199
sense well

1642
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:12,960
i think what was

1643
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:17,120
what's been reported in these incidents

1644
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:19,199
similar ones i've looked at

1645
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:22,719
has been the distortion of time

1646
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,840
and

1647
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:25,920
in my mind i don't know how else you can

1648
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:29,360
do that other than controlling gravity

1649
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:32,080
which is apparently what they were

1650
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:36,159
watching and this craft completely

1651
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:38,320
defined gravity but also

1652
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:39,280
it was

1653
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,120
i don't understand the physics of it i

1654
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,760
don't i just i cannot i i do understand

1655
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:45,600
the reports of it

1656
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:47,360
um

1657
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:50,000
yeah it's time time they have control of

1658
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:51,120
time on a

1659
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,040
i don't know how large a scale but i

1660
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:55,840
believe that they do have

1661
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:58,800
um power over time

1662
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,400
and then you also have the emotional

1663
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:02,480
stuff from a human being right when you

1664
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:05,199
get in a car accident time slows down

1665
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:06,560
when you're in a trauma like that

1666
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:07,679
situation

1667
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:11,040
was traumatic for for for several

1668
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:12,640
um

1669
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:16,000
the closer you were i would say and uh

1670
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:17,840
you know time slows down when you're

1671
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,239
confronted with something

1672
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:22,400
that is totally brand new or

1673
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:25,360
is is potentially dangerous to your life

1674
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:28,719
um right that's the human psychology so

1675
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:30,560
when we talk about this stuff is like

1676
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,120
well there's the human psychology of

1677
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:35,199
your experience and then it's also

1678
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,760
whatever they these things

1679
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:39,440
i call them creatures

1680
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:40,800
um

1681
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:43,120
can manipulate

1682
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,640
yeah

1683
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,840
the um

1684
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:47,840
uh

1685
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:49,440
we had

1686
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:51,920
there was a wide range of ages

1687
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:53,120
yes

1688
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:55,120
and

1689
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:58,640
they're uh

1690
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:00,560
and so

1691
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:02,800
the younger kids i want to bring up the

1692
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:04,640
sound that's okay

1693
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,440
but

1694
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,360
the younger kids

1695
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,840
who will run for no reason right so they

1696
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,840
see this they take off running older

1697
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,440
kids are going to kick back and walk

1698
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:15,760
over right okay that's that's that's

1699
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:19,360
just the nature of what's going on but

1700
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:23,280
um the older kids uh

1701
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:24,400
uh

1702
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:25,920
described

1703
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:28,320
hearing something first

1704
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,120
and and that's what forced them to look

1705
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:33,360
up into the sky

1706
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:36,000
and how they described what they heard

1707
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:39,520
i'll let you uh just uh uh you know uh

1708
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,080
well they when it was in the just uh

1709
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:44,239
when it was in the sky they didn't hear

1710
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:47,679
that sound when it when it came down

1711
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:50,000
you know on the outskirts of their

1712
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,120
playground

1713
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:53,040
that's when they heard this the noise it

1714
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:55,600
was closer i guess i can only assume

1715
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:56,400
that

1716
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:58,880
they heard it when it was um

1717
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,880
when it was on the ground you know i

1718
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:02,880
don't think it land i don't even know

1719
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:05,199
what it did i think it was just people

1720
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,320
say it was

1721
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,640
it didn't set down you know

1722
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:10,400
yeah i i might

1723
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,400
i might be referring to some other

1724
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:14,480
footage of the interviews that i have

1725
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:16,159
seen that weren't in the film

1726
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:17,120
okay

1727
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:18,400
which is fine

1728
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:22,320
um but i remember a witness saying

1729
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:23,760
uh

1730
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,199
that he

1731
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,360
and i think it was too there was a a a

1732
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:29,360
boy and a girl uh two separate

1733
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:31,760
interviews one described it as like

1734
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:33,199
symphonic

1735
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:39,750
there was that too now was that from a

1736
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:41,360
boy or a girl

1737
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:43,920
that was from

1738
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:45,440
two girls

1739
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:49,840
right and i remember

1740
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:51,520
a boy saying he thought he heard a

1741
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,800
symphony

1742
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:54,640
right and and so you're right and then

1743
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:56,719
we had the flute description and then we

1744
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,719
had somebody else

1745
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:00,480
describe it as

1746
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:02,000
a

1747
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:13,360
well i think they were to be honest with

1748
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:15,120
you i think they were describing two

1749
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:17,199
things because the

1750
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:19,840
the one of the witnesses said it that it

1751
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:22,000
said it sounded like a mechanical b

1752
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:22,880
sound

1753
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:27,840
then the other ones were were saying

1754
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:29,920
well it sounded like uh the sounds you'd

1755
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,480
hear from a electrical station

1756
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:34,239
you know this buzzing sound and then

1757
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:37,280
there's an experience of that really

1758
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,960
high-pitched sound

1759
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:40,480
they're different

1760
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:41,600
um

1761
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:44,080
because i think everybody heard that the

1762
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:46,880
buzzing noise i'll just say that and the

1763
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:48,880
buzzing noise was when it was on the

1764
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,199
ground and it was low frequency right

1765
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,440
and the and the the symphonic thing

1766
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:55,760
whatever that how you know whatever they

1767
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:57,040
were hearing

1768
01:15:01,990 --> 01:15:00,400
um was when it was in flight

1769
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,000
right

1770
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:04,560
that's what i remember uh one of the

1771
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:05,920
kids saying

1772
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:08,960
he heard the music and he looked up and

1773
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:11,040
there it was flying through the sky over

1774
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:13,120
the school

1775
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,280
oh was that in the film

1776
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:17,679
i i don't know okay luke that would have

1777
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:19,120
been um

1778
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:21,280
they were playing soccer out there and

1779
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:22,880
uh one of his friends

1780
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:26,719
pointed out to the sky right right um

1781
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:29,679
and so uh and and my point being that it

1782
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:33,199
wasn't just on the ground that that

1783
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:35,600
was in the air before yeah the craft was

1784
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:36,560
seen

1785
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:39,840
flying across the sky and then landed in

1786
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:43,760
the trees behind the field correct yep

1787
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:44,960
and

1788
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,280
here's

1789
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:49,600
i'm going to stay right on this how long

1790
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:52,080
from beginning to end was the entire

1791
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:53,520
event

1792
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:55,840
uh the consensus from

1793
01:16:02,709 --> 01:15:58,560
the headmaster and from the children

1794
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:05,910
william h just said i have no idea what

1795
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:07,050
i'm talking about

1796
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:10,159
[Laughter]

1797
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:12,719
i know everything about this case i

1798
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:15,280
could go deeper i just don't want to uh

1799
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:17,120
i want everybody to go and watch this

1800
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,000
film

1801
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:20,800
here's now okay so we haven't even

1802
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:22,239
gotten to

1803
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:25,360
uh the extraordinary work of of john

1804
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:26,400
mack

1805
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:27,520
but

1806
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:28,560
here's

1807
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:33,600
always freaked me out over the years

1808
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,640
is that these kids

1809
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:38,159
described

1810
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:40,880
being stared at

1811
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:42,080
and

1812
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:43,520
as a parent

1813
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:45,920
you know and i'm and i think back

1814
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:46,960
as

1815
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:50,480
how i would have been affected by that

1816
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:53,360
but as a parent having your child

1817
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:54,640
stared at

1818
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:59,520
and the way that these kids described

1819
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:00,880
uh

1820
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:03,440
emotionless being

1821
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:06,000
just looking at them

1822
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:08,320
how did that affect you

1823
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:10,719
hearing that

1824
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,080
yes or

1825
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:14,320
um

1826
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:16,480
yeah i mean that that was the the

1827
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:19,120
pinnacle of that encounter really was

1828
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:21,040
when they were in direct eye contact

1829
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,070
the uh well yeah how did that affect you

1830
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:30,480
when i knew that yeah i mean when these

1831
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:33,280
kids are describing big black eyes just

1832
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:34,719
staring at them and they don't know

1833
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:38,640
what's going on that's traumatic oh sure

1834
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:40,880
yeah sure

1835
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,600
yeah i mean uh i mean i care about them

1836
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:45,280
you know i care about what they've been

1837
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:46,320
through

1838
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:48,239
um

1839
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:49,679
i i

1840
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,120
you know this

1841
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:53,280
as i continue to work on it and

1842
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:01,669
the late 20s early 30s and uh

1843
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:04,550
realized their story hasn't changed

1844
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:06,159
you know

1845
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:07,360
they're um

1846
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:09,040
they're still the same

1847
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,800
telling the same story and they remember

1848
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:12,960
it like it was yesterday

1849
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:16,000
how many uh you went and visited uh with

1850
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,120
uh the teacher um uh

1851
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:22,320
the original headmaster of the school uh

1852
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:25,440
from back in the day where's he at were

1853
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:27,600
you able to reach out to him

1854
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:31,199
i i was and he um i i don't you know i

1855
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:32,719
didn't feel like i really needed to

1856
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:33,920
interview him

1857
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:35,600
because i had

1858
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,920
and he when i contacted him he did say

1859
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:40,080
to me he said i think i i said

1860
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:42,080
everything i need to say

1861
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:42,880
and

1862
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,880
uh he wasn't interested in doing an

1863
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:46,880
interview at the time

1864
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:48,800
and i agree with him actually he did say

1865
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:50,560
everything he needed to say in in the

1866
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:52,480
archival

1867
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:55,040
now when the uh

1868
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:57,199
when the drawings start to present

1869
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,360
themselves and the stories start to

1870
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:01,280
present themselves and these students

1871
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:02,400
are being

1872
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,880
interviewed separately by multiple

1873
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:06,239
individuals you had the mufon

1874
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:08,719
investigator come in uh

1875
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:12,000
locally international move on

1876
01:19:15,910 --> 01:19:14,320
investigator you've got

1877
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:15,920
the teachers at the school you certainly

1878
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,080
have parents involved this is all before

1879
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:20,640
john mack gets to town the the move

1880
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:22,719
investigator gets drawings done

1881
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:24,800
immediately and i'm so thankful that

1882
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:27,120
that actually happened early on

1883
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:29,440
before things start to get polluted

1884
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,719
where these kids are hanging out they're

1885
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:32,800
talking with each other the rumors the

1886
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:35,760
playground the drama right you have that

1887
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:38,239
entire soap opera going on

1888
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,360
and

1889
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:41,600
memories start to get jarred but mufon

1890
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:44,000
stepped in and was able to do this very

1891
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:45,600
very early

1892
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:48,640
what did you make of the consistency

1893
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:51,120
individually of the students not only

1894
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:53,440
with the drawings but their actual

1895
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:56,159
testimony of the events

1896
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:57,360
um

1897
01:20:01,990 --> 01:19:59,360
i think

1898
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:02,000
the mufon investigator she put it in

1899
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:05,440
exactly the words i would put it um

1900
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:07,600
it was like everybody drew from their

1901
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,239
own perspective you know that it was a

1902
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:12,560
very large playground

1903
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:14,239
um i mean there were people that were

1904
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:16,080
hundreds of feet away and there were

1905
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:18,239
people that were very close up toward

1906
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:20,159
the edge

1907
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:20,960
so

1908
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:22,639
the drawings

1909
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:24,639
are in and it depends on how old the

1910
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:27,840
child is you know how creative they are

1911
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:29,840
how well they can draw

1912
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:32,800
uh that i found interesting because

1913
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:34,880
it's really what they

1914
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:37,920
at that time what their perceptions were

1915
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,239
you know some people saw some things

1916
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:42,239
that others didn't you know what i mean

1917
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:43,840
detail-wise

1918
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:44,880
and

1919
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:46,960
that's what's what the mufon

1920
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:48,960
investigator said is

1921
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:50,239
if uh

1922
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:51,840
you know

1923
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:53,600
when you have that many people see the

1924
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,800
same thing

1925
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,880
they and and they all have just a little

1926
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:58,560
bit of a different story

1927
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:00,960
that means it's real because otherwise

1928
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:02,480
they'd get you know what i mean

1929
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:04,400
they'd you know get together and stick

1930
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,520
to the same story and you know

1931
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:09,360
it wasn't like that the witnesses

1932
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:11,120
individually experienced something

1933
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:12,960
different you know

1934
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:15,920
well then uh then the bbc rolls into

1935
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:16,960
town

1936
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:20,320
and again a great synchronicity because

1937
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:22,400
it allowed things to continue to be

1938
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:23,920
documented

1939
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:24,800
and

1940
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:27,440
the bbc is interviewing everybody that

1941
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:28,800
they can

1942
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,920
um i've always felt that and i would

1943
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:33,760
loved your take on this

1944
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,679
that uh the journalist for the bbc

1945
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:40,080
wasn't as skeptical

1946
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:43,040
as the camera guy

1947
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:44,960
who didn't want to be there

1948
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:47,280
no actually he started off really

1949
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:50,639
skeptical really skeptical

1950
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:52,400
yeah so yeah

1951
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:54,320
so things were shot and approached

1952
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:56,480
differently in the beginning right they

1953
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:58,639
didn't believe the kids in the no

1954
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:01,120
not at all not at all what did and what

1955
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:03,040
did you make of that is that

1956
01:22:08,229 --> 01:22:05,760
is that is that bad journalism don't you

1957
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:08,239
need to remain objective that you just

1958
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:10,080
the story is going to go people don't

1959
01:22:12,260 --> 01:22:11,920
really remain too objective on this

1960
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:12,270
topic

1961
01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:15,280
[Laughter]

1962
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:16,560
uh

1963
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:20,639
i mean i i think they approached it in

1964
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:21,679
the way

1965
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:23,679
you know when the bbc is interviewing

1966
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:25,120
the kids he's like you sure it wasn't an

1967
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,280
airplane you know you sure it wasn't the

1968
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,760
zimbabwe military you know he was trying

1969
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:31,840
to find every possible explanation for

1970
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,760
what they saw and the kids were like

1971
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:35,199
nope that wasn't it

1972
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:37,199
you know so

1973
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:40,400
well and and and here is this is one of

1974
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:42,480
the strongest

1975
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:44,960
reasons to watch the film and it's not

1976
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:46,639
yeah of course you've got ufos you've

1977
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:48,159
got contact you've got alien beings

1978
01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:49,440
you've got kids you've got stories

1979
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:50,639
you've got

1980
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,800
it's fantastic it's an amazing case

1981
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:58,480
but what was his name uh the

1982
01:23:04,229 --> 01:22:59,760
photographer

1983
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:04,239
for the bbc uh tim leach yeah so tim

1984
01:23:05,980 --> 01:23:05,120
tim

1985
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:05,990
uh

1986
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:07,199
[Music]

1987
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:08,719
was uh

1988
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:11,040
you have to see the film to appreciate

1989
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:12,639
what was going on

1990
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:16,000
africa at that time was nuts

1991
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:18,719
from coast to coast north to south east

1992
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:21,520
to west it's drama

1993
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:22,960
crazy

1994
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:25,600
civil drama was going down

1995
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:30,159
mortifying insane drama and and to be a

1996
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:31,679
photographer

1997
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:35,120
uh shooting that uh for the bbc that is

1998
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:37,520
something that is going to affect you

1999
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:39,600
mentally for the rest of your life

2000
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:43,760
so that's who is coming in to ariel

2001
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:46,800
a hardened individual that has been

2002
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:48,719
watching

2003
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,280
people with machetes out there uh you

2004
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:53,760
know you know what i mean civil war

2005
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:56,639
and and he goes into ariel and

2006
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,000
it's like ufos what and you get to watch

2007
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:02,719
the the transition

2008
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:04,239
of tim

2009
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,639
from before and after

2010
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:09,040
and the mental challenges that he went

2011
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,800
through i think i think it's an

2012
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:12,239
extraordinary

2013
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,960
uh uh contribution on your part

2014
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:16,800
yeah i want to put a shout out because

2015
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:19,920
tim passed away in 2011 right i really

2016
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:22,159
wish he was here to see this film

2017
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:24,800
but yes uh when when somebody sees a lot

2018
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:27,199
of war like that and uh

2019
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:29,199
death and horror

2020
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:31,840
um it really does affect your mind you

2021
01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:32,800
know

2022
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:34,159
i was thinking you're getting into war

2023
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:35,840
photography but i knew too many war

2024
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:38,400
photographers and i didn't want to

2025
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:41,679
do that to myself uh personally

2026
01:24:46,229 --> 01:24:44,639
i put you know tim tim had uh

2027
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:46,239
yeah he had seen a lot and when he got

2028
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,560
to ariel that just blew his mind he just

2029
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:50,800
didn't think it was possible

2030
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:53,360
it affected him so much

2031
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:55,199
that

2032
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:56,239
he

2033
01:25:01,350 --> 01:25:00,400
way

2034
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:01,360
uh

2035
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:03,520
a long shot of reaching out to john mack

2036
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:06,400
over in harvard which he chose to do

2037
01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:09,360
thankfully uh john mack responded didn't

2038
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:10,880
he

2039
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:14,800
i mean

2040
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:17,520
the timing it was very synchronistic in

2041
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:20,480
a lot of ways that that happened because

2042
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:21,760
um

2043
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:24,480
he was a very busy man john mack

2044
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:27,840
and uh he made time for that and i you

2045
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:29,920
know i think when he saw the drawings

2046
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:32,159
that's that piqued his interest

2047
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,480
and uh

2048
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:36,560
i think he may have seen some of the

2049
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:38,800
initial video

2050
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:41,679
also from some of the reporters

2051
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:43,600
yeah

2052
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:46,239
as you uh got access to john max

2053
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:47,679
material

2054
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:49,840
uh what started to go through your mind

2055
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:55,830
uh i i have a lot of respect for him as

2056
01:26:00,550 --> 01:25:58,960
a as a human being you know

2057
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:00,560
because

2058
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:02,800
uh i think he did the best he could at

2059
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:03,840
the time

2060
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:06,320
his approach to ariel

2061
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:10,159
um and the larger subject matter uh

2062
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,840
yeah i just have a lot of respect for

2063
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:13,679
somebody who

2064
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:16,400
really looked at this carefully and

2065
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:18,800
um realized there was something

2066
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:21,600
to it that wasn't easily explained by

2067
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:24,320
all these things they are trying to tell

2068
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:26,159
you know um

2069
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:27,679
over the years that these people are

2070
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:29,360
schizophrenic you know anybody that's

2071
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:31,840
seen a ufo's you know blah blah blah

2072
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:33,920
that whole stigma

2073
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:34,960
he

2074
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:45,760
that's that's a that's a fine human

2075
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:48,639
being who will do that

2076
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:50,960
no question uh about it

2077
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:51,840
and

2078
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:56,880
like the million-dollar question

2079
01:27:00,790 --> 01:26:59,360
john mack is you know with his therapy

2080
01:27:02,149 --> 01:27:00,800
and the stuff that he was doing over in

2081
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:02,159
the states

2082
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:03,600
um

2083
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:06,080
certainly things happened that changed

2084
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:08,000
his mind about the phenomenon no

2085
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:09,280
question about it

2086
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,080
but he was also dealing with adults

2087
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,159
randall

2088
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:16,320
he's got to now go to ariel

2089
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,239
and use his same expertise but now he's

2090
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:20,159
dealing with kids

2091
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:20,880
and

2092
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:24,159
that's a whole nother approach dealing

2093
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:26,000
with children as you looked at the

2094
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:27,280
footage

2095
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:33,270
did you feel that um

2096
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:34,960
he was a fish out of water is what i'm

2097
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:37,520
saying he had to do the best that he had

2098
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:39,920
you know with with kids on a very

2099
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:41,840
sensitive subject but john wanted

2100
01:27:45,430 --> 01:27:43,679
information from them

2101
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:45,440
and and how do you do it without

2102
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:47,040
freaking kids out and giving them

2103
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:49,120
nightmares for the rest of their lives

2104
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:51,120
right

2105
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:52,400
his approach

2106
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:55,600
um well john was uh uh

2107
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:57,760
i'm not sure what the proper term is um

2108
01:28:02,149 --> 01:27:59,120
he was a child

2109
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:02,159
psychiat psychologist for 20 years

2110
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:04,159
we had worked with kids

2111
01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:07,120
and i think that's why his interviews

2112
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:08,719
they trusted him

2113
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:10,400
you know because he made him feel safe

2114
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:12,239
made him feel calm

2115
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:15,280
enough to share um

2116
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:16,080
so

2117
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:17,600
yeah i

2118
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:20,639
i think him coming from researching this

2119
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:23,760
topic for so long i mean a couple years

2120
01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:25,520
anyway um

2121
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:27,840
that he he already knew what the

2122
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:30,719
scenario was likely to be

2123
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:32,639
you know um

2124
01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:35,040
i i just you know after all the people

2125
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:37,600
he had worked with um when he went there

2126
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:44,790
right right right right we're going to

2127
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:46,880
continue this right where we are leaving

2128
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:48,719
off let's get our break in this is fade

2129
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:50,960
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2130
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:53,280
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2131
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:54,400
new film

2132
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:56,800
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2133
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:58,800
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2134
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2142
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01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:48,870
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2220
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:50,480
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

2221
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:52,400
your host jimmy church tonight randall

2222
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:54,480
nickerson is with us his new film is

2223
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:56,880
called ariel phenomenon we've got the

2224
01:34:01,510 --> 01:33:59,120
links up for the film not only over on

2225
01:34:03,030 --> 01:34:01,520
our website but throughout social media

2226
01:34:06,070 --> 01:34:03,040
you can pre-order the film now you can

2227
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:06,080
go to ariel phenomenon dot com

2228
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:09,040
and uh check things out over there

2229
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:12,719
and uh the premiere is

2230
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:17,280
in two days you excited randall i mean

2231
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:18,400
when you have

2232
01:34:24,070 --> 01:34:21,840
uh a personal journey like this uh

2233
01:34:26,149 --> 01:34:24,080
presented on the screen

2234
01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:26,159
um that's

2235
01:34:29,189 --> 01:34:28,080
that's something pretty heavy for the

2236
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:29,199
audience

2237
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:31,360
are you prepared uh for the way that

2238
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:37,669
i know how it affects me i mean every

2239
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:39,679
time i've i watch it i have a hard time

2240
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:41,199
not

2241
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:43,440
shedding a little tear you know yeah

2242
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:46,880
yeah it's a heavy film one of the uh

2243
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:49,119
let's let's uh shift gears a little bit

2244
01:34:53,350 --> 01:34:51,199
i want to stay on subject and and talk

2245
01:34:54,390 --> 01:34:53,360
about john mack but everything folds

2246
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:54,400
back in

2247
01:34:58,870 --> 01:34:56,080
very neatly

2248
01:35:03,350 --> 01:34:58,880
with uh with everything um

2249
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:03,360
one of the families uh immediately after

2250
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:05,920
uh the incident happened just packed up

2251
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:08,880
and left and uh they went back to canada

2252
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:09,760
right

2253
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:14,480
daughter's name was

2254
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:16,719
emily emily

2255
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:18,639
and uh

2256
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:23,040
how did how did you find emily and

2257
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:24,480
and

2258
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:27,360
approach the film the way that you did

2259
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:29,520
with her and we'll talk about that but

2260
01:35:34,709 --> 01:35:32,080
but how do how did that come about

2261
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:34,719
well when i i first started researching

2262
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:37,600
the story i got this email from this uh

2263
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:40,159
woman emily and uh

2264
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:41,520
it was kind of

2265
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:42,480
uh

2266
01:35:48,550 --> 01:35:46,400
she she said i still have the email um

2267
01:35:51,510 --> 01:35:48,560
what are you doing with my story or our

2268
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:51,520
story something like that and uh it was

2269
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:53,360
and i was like oh boy i pushed some

2270
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:54,719
buttons here

2271
01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:57,679
and then god it was probably five years

2272
01:36:02,470 --> 01:36:00,639
later that i uh

2273
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:02,480
we talked on the phone

2274
01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:06,080
and i wanted to interview her and when i

2275
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:07,600
interviewed her

2276
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:09,440
um

2277
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:11,600
i just knew right away like this is the

2278
01:36:16,709 --> 01:36:14,480
person i need to follow you know

2279
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:16,719
um

2280
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:18,960
and you know there were plenty of people

2281
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:22,400
to follow but that was the one that uh

2282
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:25,440
i don't know she affected me why did

2283
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:27,920
why did her family uh

2284
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:30,560
decide to just pack up and leave

2285
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:37,510
um i think it had to do with the that

2286
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:41,040
incident and i i'm

2287
01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:43,600
sure it did um yeah i know it had to do

2288
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:45,520
with the incident but why

2289
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:47,920
was it the publicity was it their

2290
01:36:51,189 --> 01:36:50,080
children was it the way it was affecting

2291
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:51,199
them

2292
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:52,880
uh

2293
01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:54,320
i think it was the way it was affecting

2294
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:56,239
them yeah

2295
01:37:02,470 --> 01:36:59,600
the kids or the parents the kids

2296
01:37:05,109 --> 01:37:02,480
and and and personal opinion yeah that's

2297
01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:05,119
your personal opinion what did emily say

2298
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:06,800
does she remember why they just packed

2299
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:08,080
up and left

2300
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:09,920
yeah

2301
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:11,440
um

2302
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,560
other people had told me that that that

2303
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,560
they had left because of what the

2304
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:20,800
effects on the kids um

2305
01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:22,480
after that incident

2306
01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:25,520
was she able to uh because we see in the

2307
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:28,719
film you know she returns back to ariel

2308
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:30,400
um but

2309
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:34,080
while she grew up since 1994 you know

2310
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:36,800
back in canada did she have contact with

2311
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:38,560
anybody back at ariel or was she

2312
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:40,800
isolated from the incident

2313
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:42,719
she was very isolated from the the

2314
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:43,840
incident

2315
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:45,040
she had

2316
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:47,040
a couple friends still but she was

2317
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:48,800
really disconnected from it you know i

2318
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:50,159
think initially

2319
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:52,320
um can i say something i emily was

2320
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:54,560
amazing she's such an amazing artist and

2321
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:55,280
uh

2322
01:38:00,830 --> 01:37:57,520
i just got a there's so many people to

2323
01:38:03,430 --> 01:38:00,840
just thank for doing you know taking the

2324
01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:03,440
risk and she did

2325
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:06,320
and uh so many other kids did and i i

2326
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:07,679
just have to

2327
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:09,600
like without them i couldn't have done

2328
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:13,199
this you know yeah certainly yeah and

2329
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:14,880
and the reason why

2330
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:17,360
um uh i mean these are all very

2331
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:19,679
important questions and you only have so

2332
01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:21,280
much time to address them in the film

2333
01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:23,280
but we are able to expand on the thought

2334
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:24,639
process here

2335
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:26,080
in this form

2336
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:28,960
and so what you do get to see

2337
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:31,679
if she's isolated from her friends and

2338
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:32,480
and

2339
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:39,119
her out of the country you know back to

2340
01:38:43,189 --> 01:38:41,840
canada all she has

2341
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:43,199
is her memory

2342
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:44,800
yeah she's got

2343
01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:47,520
and it's you're right so she gets into

2344
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:49,520
fine art she gets into painting she's an

2345
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:51,840
extraordinary artist and she paints

2346
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:53,840
about this incident

2347
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:56,960
from her memory

2348
01:39:02,149 --> 01:39:00,159
and uh it's it's presented well in the

2349
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:02,159
film but i don't think that we fully

2350
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:03,600
understand

2351
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:04,719
why

2352
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:05,920
right and

2353
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:07,760
that's just amazing to me that she was

2354
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:09,840
just completely cut off and

2355
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:13,520
and wasn't able to deal with this

2356
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:15,840
crazy emotional trauma

2357
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:18,480
by talking it out with her friends and

2358
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:20,880
and everybody else she's removed from

2359
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:23,280
that and and her only therapy is through

2360
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:24,880
a paintbrush

2361
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:26,400
that's true

2362
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:30,480
in my opinion that i i saw that and uh

2363
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:31,440
yeah

2364
01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:32,719
she's

2365
01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:34,080
she but you know you deal with the

2366
01:39:36,790 --> 01:39:35,280
things the way

2367
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:36,800
you you

2368
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:40,080
the best way you can and that was hers

2369
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,880
now when um were you with her on the

2370
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:44,159
plane flight

2371
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:45,360
yeah

2372
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:51,830
but um so

2373
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:55,520
what was that like i mean she just must

2374
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:58,480
have uh it's been going through every

2375
01:40:02,310 --> 01:39:59,840
emotion

2376
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,320
that one can have uh on that plane

2377
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:04,400
flight over uh

2378
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:06,320
and you were watching that what was that

2379
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:07,360
like

2380
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:12,800
i was uh

2381
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:14,800
yeah literally watching someone walk

2382
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:16,560
into their past

2383
01:40:19,990 --> 01:40:18,800
you know with all the emotions to it i

2384
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:20,000
mean it was like

2385
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:22,480
i mean i it had everybody's full

2386
01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:24,239
attention you know

2387
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,600
because she was she wasn't doing

2388
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:27,840
anything for the movie she was just you

2389
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:28,719
know

2390
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:32,000
those what she that was all real

2391
01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:34,000
that was all real yeah well you're

2392
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:35,679
playing part of the observer so what

2393
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,679
were you thinking

2394
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:39,280
i well i

2395
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:40,960
i don't know if i was crying at that

2396
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:42,560
time

2397
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:45,280
the camera and you're seeing something

2398
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:47,040
so beautiful and something so pure and

2399
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:47,920
honest

2400
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:50,080
right human being sometimes or an animal

2401
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:51,840
or whatever but and

2402
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:54,400
it just uh you get affected so i was

2403
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:57,440
affected many many times on this film

2404
01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:58,560
um

2405
01:41:01,990 --> 01:41:00,560
and a lot of times i i couldn't believe

2406
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:02,000
what i was hearing

2407
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:03,600
you know i'm like oh my god it's

2408
01:41:09,669 --> 01:41:05,840
actually true

2409
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:09,679
yeah yeah yeah totally totally and um

2410
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:11,440
when you see

2411
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:13,199
uh the audience is gonna see this you

2412
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:16,480
get to see um emily as a child speaking

2413
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:20,159
about this um her original drawings that

2414
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:21,600
she did

2415
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:24,400
which was absolutely crazy town randall

2416
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:25,920
right total

2417
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:28,320
and then you see her as an adult

2418
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:30,800
she didn't change much

2419
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:31,840
right

2420
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:34,320
she's the same person

2421
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:37,040
uh you know 20 years have gone by and

2422
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:39,679
she looks exactly the same

2423
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:42,080
and she still has that

2424
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:45,119
that that childhood wonderment about her

2425
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:47,520
and and i thought that was just amazing

2426
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:49,840
but you get to see that in the film

2427
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:51,760
you're going back in time and then

2428
01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:54,320
coming back into the now now with her

2429
01:41:57,430 --> 01:41:55,920
throughout the film

2430
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:57,440
yeah

2431
01:42:01,910 --> 01:42:00,159
i i uh that's her gift you know she

2432
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:01,920
still has her child

2433
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:04,239
um i think that's why in my opinion that

2434
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:07,199
her art is so amazing you know

2435
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:10,400
when uh when you guys arrived at ariel

2436
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:12,239
she gets out of the car

2437
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:14,400
and you know she gets this i cannot i

2438
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:16,639
would love to go back to to my junior

2439
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:18,800
high school

2440
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:19,760
today

2441
01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:22,080
and and experience that but she does and

2442
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:24,000
you captured that on film

2443
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:27,440
but for you knowing the events that went

2444
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:29,119
down at ariel when you turned around and

2445
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:30,880
you looked at the field

2446
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:33,440
and you now knew in the direction where

2447
01:42:36,629 --> 01:42:35,040
this craft

2448
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:36,639
came down at

2449
01:42:39,830 --> 01:42:37,760
um

2450
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:39,840
did you relive it in your own mind and

2451
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:42,480
did you imagine this craft landing and

2452
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:44,239
what the kids saw

2453
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:47,679
well i was there before alone you know

2454
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:49,840
my first visit to the school

2455
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,800
um

2456
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:52,560
so when i

2457
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:54,560
was there yeah that was a moment you

2458
01:42:58,870 --> 01:42:56,800
know of just uh

2459
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:58,880
finding out from the teachers that were

2460
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:00,880
there and the people that were there

2461
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:03,840
where it was and i walked that land

2462
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:05,920
i walked that whole school the entire

2463
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:07,199
playground

2464
01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:10,560
i mean i spent a day out there just

2465
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:11,360
just

2466
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:13,119
you know trying to understand the

2467
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:15,679
physics or who was where where it was

2468
01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:17,119
where were the kids

2469
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:18,639
and then i started mapping out where

2470
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:21,280
different kids were and all that stuff

2471
01:43:26,229 --> 01:43:23,760
um and their reports and

2472
01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:26,239
or their testimony and uh

2473
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:28,800
yeah just yeah it was a moment that's

2474
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:30,239
for sure

2475
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:32,320
and uh particularly going up to the area

2476
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:33,920
where it was

2477
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:34,880
um

2478
01:43:39,910 --> 01:43:36,960
with the headmaster

2479
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:39,920
and yeah but and then and then to bring

2480
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:42,400
emily and to watch her go through

2481
01:43:46,709 --> 01:43:44,320
an even more intense experience because

2482
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:46,719
she was there she saw it

2483
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:47,760
so

2484
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:50,239
watching that was like it was an honor i

2485
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:52,880
felt honored to be there

2486
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:55,199
to film it you know a lot of times in

2487
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:58,000
this movie i felt honored like oh

2488
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:00,800
wow to be able to film what is happening

2489
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:04,639
here is just an honor as a camera person

2490
01:44:10,229 --> 01:44:05,360
why

2491
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:10,239
it was a school

2492
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:11,679
that uh

2493
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:14,880
that e.t chose a schoolyard uh to land

2494
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:16,400
at

2495
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:18,000
surely you thought about this a thousand

2496
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:19,119
times

2497
01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:21,360
well i went to the one in england that

2498
01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:23,600
had happened to in wales

2499
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:26,239
and uh that was part of the research i

2500
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:28,320
did was like okay this happened in wales

2501
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:30,080
in 1977

2502
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:34,080
happened in west all australia in 1967.

2503
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:35,679
that was too far away from me and

2504
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:37,360
somebody else was doing that story thank

2505
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:39,760
god uh he did a great job

2506
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:41,280
and uh

2507
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:46,320
that i'm aware of around that's right

2508
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:47,280
yeah

2509
01:44:51,109 --> 01:44:48,400
um

2510
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:51,119
so i don't know why i it's very

2511
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:53,040
interesting like it's something that's

2512
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:55,360
kind of an unexplored area of the

2513
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:57,040
phenomena

2514
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:58,560
um

2515
01:45:03,189 --> 01:45:00,400
so i don't really know the answers to

2516
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:03,199
that i'm very curious i mean a lot of

2517
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:05,199
people say to me like well

2518
01:45:08,709 --> 01:45:06,800
they went to the kids because kids are

2519
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:08,719
impressionable and when they grow up

2520
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:10,000
they're gonna

2521
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:11,679
tell people what happened to them and

2522
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:12,960
you know what's interesting is a lot of

2523
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:17,119
the kids have great careers you know and

2524
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:19,360
they are they do tell their friends and

2525
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:21,440
that seeps into

2526
01:45:26,070 --> 01:45:23,440
humanity you know

2527
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:26,080
uh i don't know i've heard that and uh i

2528
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:27,760
wonder about that i think about that a

2529
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:28,840
lot

2530
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:30,400
um

2531
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:32,719
here's the other question

2532
01:45:37,910 --> 01:45:35,679
i and i am sure that emily and any other

2533
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:37,920
kid there as an adult

2534
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:40,719
has to think about holy crap

2535
01:45:46,070 --> 01:45:44,639
how close was i to being abducted

2536
01:45:48,950 --> 01:45:46,080
i mean what

2537
01:45:51,109 --> 01:45:48,960
you are right and it it it goes with

2538
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,119
without saying we've all had experiences

2539
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:53,119
growing up you were around the wrong

2540
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:54,239
person

2541
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:56,239
and you just got lucky that nothing

2542
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:59,119
happened right okay yes

2543
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:00,880
yes

2544
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:04,000
yeah straight so have i yeah and uh

2545
01:46:10,390 --> 01:46:08,080
and i'm i'm i'm i i i got lucky

2546
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:10,400
uh and so did those kids there were 60

2547
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:12,480
of them standing at that tree line

2548
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:15,199
looking eyeball to eyeball with two

2549
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:18,719
alien beings that park their craft there

2550
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:20,800
and nobody got abducted

2551
01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:22,080
that's

2552
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:26,960
yeah you know and do these kids realize

2553
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:27,679
how

2554
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:29,679
lucky i mean maybe abduction is a good

2555
01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:31,840
experience i i don't know i haven't been

2556
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:34,159
abducted but uh

2557
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:36,800
but for some i i can imagine it's a it's

2558
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:38,880
a traumatizing experience but none of

2559
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:41,840
the kids went through that did they

2560
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:43,040
i you know

2561
01:46:46,950 --> 01:46:45,360
to be honest with you i don't know you

2562
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:46,960
know this thing took place for 15

2563
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:47,920
minutes

2564
01:46:53,109 --> 01:46:50,639
according to multiple people

2565
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:53,119
so i really don't know how to explain

2566
01:46:57,510 --> 01:46:55,760
all that time to be honest

2567
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:57,520
in my might you know i was just looking

2568
01:47:02,149 --> 01:47:00,719
at it like everything that happened

2569
01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:02,159
um

2570
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:04,159
so i have questions but i i didn't you

2571
01:47:08,070 --> 01:47:06,080
know i didn't push that

2572
01:47:10,950 --> 01:47:08,080
on any of these kids at all i didn't you

2573
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:10,960
know i only wanted and i still do

2574
01:47:15,750 --> 01:47:13,199
i only want them to come

2575
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:15,760
and tell me what they remember you know

2576
01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:18,080
what what really happened to them

2577
01:47:21,189 --> 01:47:20,080
are you suggesting let me let me stop

2578
01:47:23,030 --> 01:47:21,199
you right there randall are you

2579
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:23,040
suggesting that

2580
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:26,080
as you looked at this and you

2581
01:47:31,430 --> 01:47:29,280
went through the data and the material

2582
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:31,440
that there's a possibility that there

2583
01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:32,719
might have been some missing time and

2584
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:35,199
maybe somebody

2585
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:37,520
somebody was abducted for a short period

2586
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:40,320
is that what you're saying no i i i just

2587
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:42,320
what i'm saying is i don't know

2588
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:44,400
it's a question you know

2589
01:47:48,870 --> 01:47:47,040
uh the amount of time that went by

2590
01:47:49,669 --> 01:47:48,880
um

2591
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:49,679
but

2592
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:52,000
i i i really don't know

2593
01:47:55,430 --> 01:47:53,760
i mean that's the problem with with with

2594
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:55,440
these things is

2595
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:56,320
uh

2596
01:48:07,270 --> 01:47:57,600
um

2597
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:07,280
how how people

2598
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:09,199
perceive it and

2599
01:48:13,109 --> 01:48:10,800
what they remember and don't remember

2600
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:13,119
you know but i didn't find any clues

2601
01:48:15,510 --> 01:48:14,000
that

2602
01:48:16,870 --> 01:48:15,520
somebody was abducted or anything i

2603
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:16,880
didn't find that

2604
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:19,119
i was questioning the amount of time

2605
01:48:23,510 --> 01:48:21,760
that went by and and and saying well if

2606
01:48:24,550 --> 01:48:23,520
that amount to what happened in all that

2607
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:24,560
time

2608
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:26,159
you know i knew they did and i knew

2609
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:27,520
where they went and when they ran

2610
01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:30,080
screaming to the teachers

2611
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:31,679
um

2612
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:32,400
yeah

2613
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:34,000
i don't think that took 15 minutes

2614
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:36,080
that's where where i have a problem so

2615
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:38,400
whatever i don't know yeah yeah yeah

2616
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:43,030
these are all questions that we have

2617
01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:44,400
because

2618
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:46,400
you have to stop and just picture that

2619
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:48,639
there's 60 kids

2620
01:48:52,870 --> 01:48:50,719
uh approximately standing there

2621
01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:52,880
observing this crap being stared at back

2622
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:55,600
for 15 minutes what's everybody doing

2623
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:59,040
you know and uh now nobody suggested

2624
01:49:04,470 --> 01:49:00,639
anything that they went up and shook

2625
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:04,480
hands and yeah and and you know did you

2626
01:49:09,669 --> 01:49:07,760
know chest bumps that you know that

2627
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:09,679
that that didn't happen

2628
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,800
um which takes me to this is this is

2629
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:14,719
where for me things get really

2630
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:15,840
interesting

2631
01:49:19,109 --> 01:49:18,239
when you look at all of the evidence

2632
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:19,119
and

2633
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:22,880
the mufon interviews uh the staff

2634
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:25,760
the john mack the drawings

2635
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:26,800
the

2636
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:35,440
uh recently about this when you look at

2637
01:49:39,589 --> 01:49:36,560
all of this

2638
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:39,599
there there is a consistency there

2639
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:43,119
and the story

2640
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:45,440
could have been blown out of proportion

2641
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:47,199
could have elevated could have changed

2642
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:48,560
and it didn't

2643
01:49:52,790 --> 01:49:50,560
right nobody got abducted nobody touched

2644
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:52,800
the aliens nobody did this no

2645
01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:55,440
none of that the story itself

2646
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,239
in its fundamental form is exactly as it

2647
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:00,719
was in 1994.

2648
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:04,239
and that was what john mack put together

2649
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:08,239
and did you feel the same way as you

2650
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:11,199
look at this in 2021 you've been working

2651
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:12,639
on this project for a while but when you

2652
01:50:17,109 --> 01:50:13,760
look at it

2653
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:17,119
you see a very consistent event

2654
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:19,760
is that how you felt yeah very much very

2655
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:20,719
much

2656
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:22,639
i mean you can't put i mean

2657
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:24,239
i guess the thing that really strikes me

2658
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:26,000
i mean you can see the truth in the kids

2659
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:27,760
eyes when they're telling

2660
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:29,360
telling you these stories in the

2661
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:30,800
archival

2662
01:50:34,229 --> 01:50:32,639
and then when you interview them today

2663
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:34,239
when i interviewed them

2664
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:35,360
um

2665
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:37,679
that same look in their eyes they

2666
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:40,159
weren't they they were just remembering

2667
01:50:45,589 --> 01:50:41,760
and looking at me and telling me the

2668
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:45,599
truth there was no bs in there at all

2669
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:47,440
and it wasn't their stories didn't

2670
01:50:49,589 --> 01:50:48,639
change

2671
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:49,599
at all

2672
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:51,440
you know there was nothing added nothing

2673
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:52,400
taken away

2674
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:54,239
that's incredible you know what i mean

2675
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:57,599
that's that's a real story that's a real

2676
01:51:02,550 --> 01:50:59,760
people being honest

2677
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,560
now what's your uh we'll come back after

2678
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:04,239
the break and continue but

2679
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:07,280
did the event happen as we think that it

2680
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:08,639
did

2681
01:51:21,189 --> 01:51:18,830
uh judging from all the witnesses

2682
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:21,199
testimony and everybody i've heard i'd

2683
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:22,960
say absolutely yes

2684
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:24,320
right

2685
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:27,520
now uh

2686
01:51:32,470 --> 01:51:30,080
i wasn't there but i can tell you i

2687
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:32,480
talked to so many people that it i

2688
01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:35,360
i think that's what happened and uh now

2689
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:38,320
let's swing back uh to tim as uh you

2690
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:41,199
know we start to resolve all of this um

2691
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:43,280
and we'll we'll get back to john mack

2692
01:51:45,750 --> 01:51:44,800
after the break

2693
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:45,760
tim

2694
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:50,000
was absolutely changed as a human being

2695
01:51:53,589 --> 01:51:50,960
100

2696
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:53,599
he was different before ariel

2697
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:57,440
and then after uh the experience that's

2698
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:02,470
do you feel that it was in a good way

2699
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:04,639
and do you think that the bbc handled it

2700
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:07,040
the right way and and his co-workers and

2701
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:13,350
um

2702
01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:16,629
i mean tim had a really hard time aft i

2703
01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:18,080
mean he was shot

2704
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:20,800
a lot of his friends were killed

2705
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:23,599
uh during war reporting

2706
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:26,639
in different places in rwanda and

2707
01:52:29,830 --> 01:52:28,080
liberia

2708
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:29,840
all these different locations around

2709
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:31,840
africa he was sent to

2710
01:52:36,149 --> 01:52:33,520
uh

2711
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:36,159
i i don't know i think yeah maybe ariel

2712
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:39,599
just blew his mind uh i don't know if it

2713
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:40,400
it

2714
01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:47,199
because he'd seen so much uh trauma and

2715
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:48,560
you know uh

2716
01:52:54,310 --> 01:52:51,760
terrifying things and uh

2717
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:54,320
yeah i do know it affected him for sure

2718
01:52:59,589 --> 01:52:56,480
in a big way you know

2719
01:53:02,229 --> 01:52:59,599
well and and and in 1994

2720
01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:02,239
1995 1996

2721
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:06,080
uh during the aftermath of ariel

2722
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:09,280
you weren't allowed to professionally

2723
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:10,880
if you're on a career path talk about

2724
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:12,400
ufos

2725
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:14,159
and he wanted to

2726
01:53:18,149 --> 01:53:16,560
right and and his respondents back to

2727
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:18,159
the bbc

2728
01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:19,040
uh

2729
01:53:22,950 --> 01:53:21,119
hey man this was a real incident you

2730
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:22,960
guys need to pay attention

2731
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:25,040
that's the wrong thing you want to do

2732
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:26,400
right right

2733
01:53:31,669 --> 01:53:28,639
but he chose to do that didn't he he did

2734
01:53:34,149 --> 01:53:31,679
it and and he was angry how how how he

2735
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:34,159
was treated he was really angry when

2736
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:36,400
when i interviewed him

2737
01:53:40,629 --> 01:53:38,239
he he was just

2738
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:40,639
he you know he went on talking about how

2739
01:53:43,589 --> 01:53:41,760
you know

2740
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:43,599
the news agencies and and they don't

2741
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:45,679
really want to show you what it's really

2742
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:46,639
like

2743
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:48,400
the war you know now we're actually

2744
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:51,280
seeing real war pictures on tv back then

2745
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:53,760
they edited all that out

2746
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:56,000
you know and then he said it was it's

2747
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:57,520
the same with the ufos they don't want

2748
01:54:01,830 --> 01:54:00,239
to show you they don't want to tell you

2749
01:54:03,270 --> 01:54:01,840
that it's actually going on those are

2750
01:54:05,189 --> 01:54:03,280
his words

2751
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:05,199
he was really angry at how he was

2752
01:54:09,990 --> 01:54:06,800
treated but he did the right thing he

2753
01:54:12,149 --> 01:54:10,000
stood up he said these this is real and

2754
01:54:13,669 --> 01:54:12,159
the bbc um

2755
01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:13,679
yeah just thought they thought he was

2756
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:15,280
smoking the wacky weed

2757
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:18,480
yeah yeah exactly right yeah and uh

2758
01:54:23,189 --> 01:54:20,800
now with john mack we've got about four

2759
01:54:25,669 --> 01:54:23,199
minutes before the break sure john max

2760
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:25,679
uh you know collects this footage

2761
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:29,280
um and as there was a transition for

2762
01:54:33,270 --> 01:54:31,520
john i think is

2763
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:33,280
i've watched

2764
01:54:38,390 --> 01:54:36,320
i've probably watched 16 hours of his

2765
01:54:40,870 --> 01:54:38,400
footage that i have i'm sure there's

2766
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:40,880
much more but i've got i've got a lot of

2767
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:41,599
it

2768
01:54:47,350 --> 01:54:46,560
john from

2769
01:54:49,830 --> 01:54:47,360
uh

2770
01:54:51,109 --> 01:54:49,840
the the public

2771
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:51,119
what do you want to call that a town

2772
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:53,119
hall right they got everybody together

2773
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:55,520
there in ruach yes

2774
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:57,440
and he was trying to calm everybody's

2775
01:55:01,189 --> 01:54:58,320
nerves

2776
01:55:03,830 --> 01:55:01,199
because everybody was this this and this

2777
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:03,840
was the everybody in town was talking

2778
01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:06,480
about it they were concerned and and he

2779
01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:08,400
had done his best

2780
01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:11,040
um as a psychologist and somebody that

2781
01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:13,040
understands the mind how to calm

2782
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:14,480
everybody down

2783
01:55:19,669 --> 01:55:15,280
but

2784
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:19,679
transition with him

2785
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:22,800
where he started to feel that these kids

2786
01:55:28,070 --> 01:55:25,280
were now talking to each other

2787
01:55:31,270 --> 01:55:28,080
and and he was definitely having to

2788
01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:31,280
force his questions into

2789
01:55:37,109 --> 01:55:34,560
getting the singular things out of each

2790
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:37,119
out of each student that's true

2791
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:38,159
yeah

2792
01:55:41,270 --> 01:55:39,520
he did

2793
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:41,280
um

2794
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:42,960
that's correct yeah he did that that

2795
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:45,440
town hall meeting for the parents and

2796
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:47,760
and not just parents everybody in town

2797
01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:50,400
and it's packed

2798
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:53,520
it's not that big of a town um

2799
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:55,520
and uh

2800
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:57,280
and then he went into

2801
01:56:02,310 --> 01:55:59,199
yeah to um

2802
01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:02,320
interview them some more you know as

2803
01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:04,960
uh and and did it the right way you know

2804
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:07,360
not everybody did you know had

2805
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:09,760
not everybody had separated them and

2806
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:11,440
you know really sat down with them for

2807
01:56:15,589 --> 01:56:14,000
an hour and uh got to the bottom of it

2808
01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:15,599
john did

2809
01:56:17,189 --> 01:56:16,480
yeah

2810
01:56:20,229 --> 01:56:17,199
and

2811
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:20,239
what do you think uh john's uh

2812
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:21,840
conclusions are i know you can't put

2813
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:24,000
words and he's not with us anymore too

2814
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:24,960
but

2815
01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:26,480
um

2816
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:28,480
when he left zimbabwe

2817
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:30,719
what do you think he was thinking

2818
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:32,639
i i think

2819
01:56:36,310 --> 01:56:34,080
i think he

2820
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:36,320
uh even

2821
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:39,280
until the last time i saw him which was

2822
01:56:44,550 --> 01:56:41,679
right before his death

2823
01:56:47,510 --> 01:56:44,560
i think he thought that it was real but

2824
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:47,520
he didn't understand exactly what its

2825
01:56:50,950 --> 01:56:49,360
nature was

2826
01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:50,960
there was no question in his mind that

2827
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:53,840
it was real it's just what was it coming

2828
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:56,400
from that was his drive in my opinion

2829
01:57:05,669 --> 01:56:57,920
he

2830
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:05,679
yeah i yeah i interviewed uh ralph

2831
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:10,080
blumenthal about uh john mack yeah and

2832
01:57:13,350 --> 01:57:11,440
the one

2833
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:13,360
i'm going to have ralph on the show uh

2834
01:57:16,629 --> 01:57:15,040
next week or the week after

2835
01:57:19,030 --> 01:57:16,639
he's going to be back with our luck he's

2836
01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:19,040
he's just the best he's so much so much

2837
01:57:22,390 --> 01:57:21,040
in the last four years is his life has

2838
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:22,400
definitely changed

2839
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:24,880
um but i

2840
01:57:27,830 --> 01:57:26,560
know

2841
01:57:31,030 --> 01:57:27,840
that

2842
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:31,040
only john mack knows

2843
01:57:36,229 --> 01:57:34,080
i know right that john

2844
01:57:39,589 --> 01:57:36,239
did too much research

2845
01:57:41,669 --> 01:57:39,599
and as he was collecting this

2846
01:57:43,510 --> 01:57:41,679
information and going through these

2847
01:57:44,629 --> 01:57:43,520
sessions and interviewing so many

2848
01:57:46,310 --> 01:57:44,639
different people

2849
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:46,320
he found

2850
01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:47,760
one little thing

2851
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:50,800
that was consistent across the spectrum

2852
01:57:54,390 --> 01:57:52,560
i just don't know what that was

2853
01:57:55,990 --> 01:57:54,400
but whatever it was convinced him that

2854
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:56,000
the phenomenon was real that these

2855
01:57:59,510 --> 01:57:57,679
people were not making it

2856
01:58:01,589 --> 01:57:59,520
that's correct and it was it was

2857
01:58:03,750 --> 01:58:01,599
multiple multiple i mean hundreds of

2858
01:58:06,149 --> 01:58:03,760
people that hundreds hundreds hundreds

2859
01:58:07,510 --> 01:58:06,159
hundreds that had had the specific

2860
01:58:08,229 --> 01:58:07,520
details

2861
01:58:09,189 --> 01:58:08,239
that

2862
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:09,199
nobody

2863
01:58:16,149 --> 01:58:14,000
and it went with and it went with him he

2864
01:58:18,229 --> 01:58:16,159
crossed that street in england and and

2865
01:58:21,990 --> 01:58:18,239
that's it and we'll never know

2866
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:22,000
yeah but but he took that

2867
01:58:25,350 --> 01:58:23,679
methodology

2868
01:58:26,870 --> 01:58:25,360
to ariel

2869
01:58:31,030 --> 01:58:26,880
right so

2870
01:58:33,589 --> 01:58:31,040
now he's there was some little thing

2871
01:58:35,430 --> 01:58:33,599
that and he's he's an artist man he

2872
01:58:38,229 --> 01:58:35,440
knows what he's doing

2873
01:58:40,149 --> 01:58:38,239
and and and he found that little colonel

2874
01:58:43,030 --> 01:58:40,159
right that little nugget

2875
01:58:45,189 --> 01:58:43,040
uh with each one of these children

2876
01:58:46,950 --> 01:58:45,199
and and that's what he was really good

2877
01:58:50,229 --> 01:58:46,960
at and we'll never know what that was

2878
01:58:51,589 --> 01:58:50,239
but but yeah i think he convinced me

2879
01:58:54,629 --> 01:58:51,599
i think it's in the footage there's

2880
01:58:56,310 --> 01:58:54,639
little snippets of little details that

2881
01:58:58,709 --> 01:58:56,320
um

2882
01:59:00,629 --> 01:58:58,719
there's no way and it's it's way it's

2883
01:59:02,149 --> 01:59:00,639
the same way with other people around

2884
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:02,159
the world that there's no way they could

2885
01:59:06,229 --> 01:59:04,400
have known that and then have somebody

2886
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:06,239
else repeated from

2887
01:59:10,629 --> 01:59:08,719
another side of the world that speaks a

2888
01:59:12,629 --> 01:59:10,639
different language and understands a

2889
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:12,639
different culture but they're describing

2890
01:59:16,470 --> 01:59:14,880
the same thing that's what he found

2891
01:59:18,310 --> 01:59:16,480
yeah that's right yeah that's right

2892
01:59:20,390 --> 01:59:18,320
let's take a break right here our guest

2893
01:59:22,709 --> 01:59:20,400
tonight randall nickerson we are talking

2894
01:59:25,990 --> 01:59:22,719
about aerial phenomenon it's his new

2895
01:59:29,430 --> 01:59:26,000
film documentary it is out on may 20th

2896
01:59:31,350 --> 01:59:29,440
about the ariel school ufo event in

2897
01:59:35,660 --> 01:59:31,360
zimbabwe we'll be right back after this

2898
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2899
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2960
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2961
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2962
02:02:51,510 --> 02:02:47,669
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2963
02:02:52,870 --> 02:02:51,520
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2964
02:02:55,030 --> 02:02:52,880
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2965
02:02:56,390 --> 02:02:55,040
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2966
02:02:58,470 --> 02:02:56,400
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2967
02:03:04,950 --> 02:02:58,480
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2968
02:03:10,970 --> 02:03:07,189
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2969
02:03:24,390 --> 02:03:10,980
on the game changer radio network

2970
02:03:26,149 --> 02:03:24,400
[Music]

2971
02:03:27,750 --> 02:03:26,159
welcome back fade to black i am your

2972
02:03:30,310 --> 02:03:27,760
host jimmy church tonight director

2973
02:03:32,870 --> 02:03:30,320
randall nickerson is with us

2974
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:32,880
this new film is called ariel phenomenon

2975
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:35,440
and it is

2976
02:03:40,870 --> 02:03:37,440
it's an example of the hero's journey

2977
02:03:43,669 --> 02:03:40,880
that's exactly what it is man you uh

2978
02:03:46,070 --> 02:03:43,679
you set out you you do your thing in the

2979
02:03:49,589 --> 02:03:46,080
middle and you come back in the end and

2980
02:03:52,069 --> 02:03:49,599
and hopefully you have resolved things

2981
02:03:53,109 --> 02:03:52,079
and that's exactly uh what this film

2982
02:03:55,750 --> 02:03:53,119
does

2983
02:03:59,830 --> 02:03:55,760
and randall the

2984
02:04:02,310 --> 02:03:59,840
the other part of this um is attempting

2985
02:04:03,510 --> 02:04:02,320
to achieve closure

2986
02:04:06,870 --> 02:04:03,520
um

2987
02:04:10,470 --> 02:04:06,880
do you think that happened with emily

2988
02:04:12,229 --> 02:04:10,480
uh probably not yet i don't know um it

2989
02:04:14,310 --> 02:04:12,239
takes a long time

2990
02:04:17,189 --> 02:04:14,320
i mean you know when i interviewed some

2991
02:04:18,310 --> 02:04:17,199
of the native shamans in africa

2992
02:04:21,030 --> 02:04:18,320
that had had

2993
02:04:22,950 --> 02:04:21,040
encounters like this

2994
02:04:24,709 --> 02:04:22,960
and the first i asked them how do you

2995
02:04:26,790 --> 02:04:24,719
how do you heal

2996
02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:26,800
you know how do you fix it or you know

2997
02:04:31,510 --> 02:04:28,560
and and

2998
02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:31,520
he said it takes decades

2999
02:04:35,430 --> 02:04:33,040
and i think he's right

3000
02:04:37,750 --> 02:04:35,440
decades and decades he said it took him

3001
02:04:40,229 --> 02:04:37,760
20 years to get over it

3002
02:04:42,149 --> 02:04:40,239
to to you know to to have a place to put

3003
02:04:43,510 --> 02:04:42,159
it and to really

3004
02:04:46,149 --> 02:04:43,520
uh

3005
02:04:48,870 --> 02:04:46,159
kind of wrap his head around it you know

3006
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:48,880
yeah and and and tim isn't here to

3007
02:04:53,430 --> 02:04:51,280
achieve closure through the film great

3008
02:04:55,669 --> 02:04:53,440
if he was and same thing with a john

3009
02:04:57,669 --> 02:04:55,679
mack of course but but what about

3010
02:04:58,709 --> 02:04:57,679
yourself in your own personal journey

3011
02:05:04,830 --> 02:04:58,719
did this

3012
02:05:10,870 --> 02:05:07,830
um sure

3013
02:05:14,149 --> 02:05:10,880
on some level i would say so yeah

3014
02:05:17,910 --> 02:05:16,390
yeah i mean closure's never done with

3015
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:17,920
this uh

3016
02:05:27,830 --> 02:05:24,800
but you grow and learn i think the big

3017
02:05:30,310 --> 02:05:27,840
thing for me is i wanted to find out

3018
02:05:35,189 --> 02:05:30,320
you know as much as possible

3019
02:05:37,589 --> 02:05:35,199
um who knew you know who knows and

3020
02:05:40,229 --> 02:05:37,599
um we saw it

3021
02:05:43,589 --> 02:05:40,239
we saw it yesterday right was the senate

3022
02:05:46,310 --> 02:05:43,599
hearing did you watch it i did

3023
02:05:47,430 --> 02:05:46,320
yeah i watched it several times and

3024
02:05:49,189 --> 02:05:47,440
let me

3025
02:05:52,069 --> 02:05:49,199
before i

3026
02:05:53,589 --> 02:05:52,079
did you watch it live i did

3027
02:05:55,910 --> 02:05:53,599
yeah so did i

3028
02:05:57,430 --> 02:05:55,920
um going back and getting sound bites

3029
02:06:00,229 --> 02:05:57,440
and things

3030
02:06:02,069 --> 02:06:00,239
uh which is fine you know not everybody

3031
02:06:03,830 --> 02:06:02,079
you know i had to get up at you know 5

3032
02:06:05,589 --> 02:06:03,840
30 in the morning

3033
02:06:07,669 --> 02:06:05,599
you know after doing a broadcast the

3034
02:06:10,790 --> 02:06:07,679
night before

3035
02:06:13,589 --> 02:06:10,800
but watching it live uh is totally

3036
02:06:16,310 --> 02:06:13,599
different so you watched it live

3037
02:06:18,629 --> 02:06:16,320
um and going through your own personal

3038
02:06:20,629 --> 02:06:18,639
experiences and your own journey

3039
02:06:22,629 --> 02:06:20,639
uh which is what brings you into this

3040
02:06:28,550 --> 02:06:22,639
community for sure

3041
02:06:31,030 --> 02:06:28,560
um uh and and this film is now in

3042
02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:31,040
in release or about to be released

3043
02:06:34,950 --> 02:06:32,800
this is all happening at the same time

3044
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:34,960
and then you go through the

3045
02:06:39,830 --> 02:06:37,840
the ufo hearing yesterday

3046
02:06:41,669 --> 02:06:39,840
that's a lot going on at the same time

3047
02:06:42,950 --> 02:06:41,679
isn't it and certainly for you

3048
02:06:46,629 --> 02:06:42,960
personally

3049
02:06:48,870 --> 02:06:46,639
oh yeah it's a lot yeah it is a lot but

3050
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:48,880
i found it very interesting to you know

3051
02:06:53,109 --> 02:06:51,360
i'm glad they're uh stepping up and

3052
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:53,119
doing something

3053
02:06:56,069 --> 02:06:54,560
um

3054
02:06:58,709 --> 02:06:56,079
you know there were some pretty serious

3055
02:06:59,990 --> 02:06:58,719
people there today or yesterday at that

3056
02:07:01,510 --> 02:07:00,000
meeting

3057
02:07:05,669 --> 02:07:01,520
um

3058
02:07:07,669 --> 02:07:05,679
so yeah i just i i'm encouraged that uh

3059
02:07:10,310 --> 02:07:07,679
someday we'll be able to openly talk

3060
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:10,320
about this you know well i think we are

3061
02:07:12,790 --> 02:07:11,119
now

3062
02:07:14,629 --> 02:07:12,800
and and here's

3063
02:07:15,910 --> 02:07:14,639
here's the thing

3064
02:07:17,830 --> 02:07:15,920
um

3065
02:07:20,310 --> 02:07:17,840
we can hear from the department of

3066
02:07:22,310 --> 02:07:20,320
defense and intelligence officials and

3067
02:07:23,430 --> 02:07:22,320
agencies and whatever

3068
02:07:28,310 --> 02:07:23,440
uh

3069
02:07:30,069 --> 02:07:28,320
and invite that

3070
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:30,079
but it's a whole other thing to bring

3071
02:07:33,830 --> 02:07:32,880
you and emily on and talk about ariel

3072
02:07:34,790 --> 02:07:33,840
right

3073
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:34,800
shouldn't

3074
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:38,719
uh capitol hill both the senate the

3075
02:07:42,629 --> 02:07:40,960
house of representatives shouldn't

3076
02:07:45,270 --> 02:07:42,639
shouldn't they be talking to us

3077
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:45,280
shouldn't they be talking to you

3078
02:07:56,069 --> 02:07:52,310
you know they're only they're

3079
02:07:59,030 --> 02:07:56,079
it's part of their job um

3080
02:08:00,550 --> 02:07:59,040
um to not uh panic the public so to

3081
02:08:03,189 --> 02:08:00,560
speak and there were i think their

3082
02:08:05,189 --> 02:08:03,199
concern revolves around that

3083
02:08:07,510 --> 02:08:05,199
but uh

3084
02:08:09,189 --> 02:08:07,520
yeah there's that's what it bothers me

3085
02:08:11,910 --> 02:08:09,199
because there's so much knowledge you

3086
02:08:14,870 --> 02:08:11,920
know from people that have passed away

3087
02:08:16,229 --> 02:08:14,880
and there's i know several people boy

3088
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:16,239
they should be

3089
02:08:19,350 --> 02:08:17,840
testifying before

3090
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:19,360
a congressional committee because of

3091
02:08:24,310 --> 02:08:21,280
what they know i mean what they've

3092
02:08:26,149 --> 02:08:24,320
experienced what they've seen themselves

3093
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:26,159
that would be helpful

3094
02:08:31,430 --> 02:08:29,280
to their uap program

3095
02:08:33,830 --> 02:08:31,440
you know and and to actually deal with

3096
02:08:36,390 --> 02:08:33,840
some of what you know answer some of the

3097
02:08:38,390 --> 02:08:36,400
questions of what we're looking at there

3098
02:08:41,109 --> 02:08:38,400
are a lot of people that can do that and

3099
02:08:46,470 --> 02:08:41,119
a lot of them won't come forward

3100
02:08:50,870 --> 02:08:49,510
no i disagree with you

3101
02:08:57,189 --> 02:08:50,880
disagree

3102
02:09:00,790 --> 02:08:57,199
because of what happened yesterday

3103
02:09:02,550 --> 02:09:00,800
things like what went down yesterday now

3104
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:02,560
puts this

3105
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:05,040
purely in the public domain now

3106
02:09:09,350 --> 02:09:06,960
i think

3107
02:09:12,870 --> 02:09:09,360
this is out and being discussed

3108
02:09:14,870 --> 02:09:12,880
which allows a film like yours to be

3109
02:09:17,669 --> 02:09:14,880
watched with a different set of eyes

3110
02:09:20,709 --> 02:09:17,679
randall that's great your film coming

3111
02:09:23,189 --> 02:09:20,719
out 20 years ago it's just another film

3112
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:23,199
that is only going to be watched in the

3113
02:09:29,030 --> 02:09:25,760
inside of the the tinfoil hat

3114
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:29,040
right fringe community sure now now your

3115
02:09:34,950 --> 02:09:31,599
film is is going to be appreciated to a

3116
02:09:37,510 --> 02:09:34,960
wider audience that now accepts that

3117
02:09:40,870 --> 02:09:37,520
they can watch this and discuss this

3118
02:09:42,550 --> 02:09:40,880
and and and and not get teased right

3119
02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:42,560
that's where we are at today and that's

3120
02:09:47,750 --> 02:09:44,880
why the yesterday was so important for

3121
02:09:49,270 --> 02:09:47,760
anybody that says uh randall i'm going

3122
02:09:50,790 --> 02:09:49,280
to be very that's why i'm going to

3123
02:09:51,910 --> 02:09:50,800
disagree with you

3124
02:09:55,589 --> 02:09:51,920
um

3125
02:09:58,149 --> 02:09:55,599
i'm not here to debate but but but but

3126
02:10:00,709 --> 02:09:58,159
here's the thing for anybody that will

3127
02:10:03,750 --> 02:10:00,719
say oh yesterday was nothing

3128
02:10:06,149 --> 02:10:03,760
they simply do not understand

3129
02:10:09,430 --> 02:10:06,159
they don't understand the importance of

3130
02:10:11,430 --> 02:10:09,440
what went down yesterday because today

3131
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:11,440
it's being discussed

3132
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:15,360
yesterday we had you saw it live

3133
02:10:18,030 --> 02:10:17,040
blue book

3134
02:10:20,629 --> 02:10:18,040
e.t

3135
02:10:24,629 --> 02:10:20,639
extraterrestrials malmstrom air force

3136
02:10:29,830 --> 02:10:24,639
base right the davis wilson docks

3137
02:10:31,669 --> 02:10:29,840
um aliens contact were all mentioned

3138
02:10:33,510 --> 02:10:31,679
and discussed

3139
02:10:37,750 --> 02:10:33,520
on capitol hill

3140
02:10:39,750 --> 02:10:37,760
holy crap that's that's never happened

3141
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:39,760
ever ever ever

3142
02:10:46,069 --> 02:10:42,880
ever and i was astounded by that

3143
02:10:48,709 --> 02:10:46,079
and and and all that does is open up the

3144
02:10:52,149 --> 02:10:48,719
door to further discussion and for those

3145
02:10:54,950 --> 02:10:52,159
out there that are are angry about it

3146
02:10:58,870 --> 02:10:54,960
right that's what you need to have

3147
02:11:01,030 --> 02:10:58,880
happen you can't say uh like burchette

3148
02:11:03,030 --> 02:11:01,040
right representative burchette

3149
02:11:04,790 --> 02:11:03,040
uh or anybody else come out after the

3150
02:11:07,990 --> 02:11:04,800
fact and go well that was great well

3151
02:11:09,510 --> 02:11:08,000
then there's no need to do this anymore

3152
02:11:10,709 --> 02:11:09,520
you have to come out and say that wasn't

3153
02:11:13,669 --> 02:11:10,719
enough

3154
02:11:16,629 --> 02:11:13,679
so it happens again

3155
02:11:18,870 --> 02:11:16,639
you follow my methodology i do

3156
02:11:20,229 --> 02:11:18,880
yep that's true we got to keep coming

3157
02:11:21,669 --> 02:11:20,239
forward people got to keep coming

3158
02:11:22,550 --> 02:11:21,679
forward

3159
02:11:23,910 --> 02:11:22,560
um

3160
02:11:26,550 --> 02:11:23,920
that's how it's at that's how we're

3161
02:11:28,390 --> 02:11:26,560
going to resolve this

3162
02:11:32,790 --> 02:11:28,400
i believe

3163
02:11:36,709 --> 02:11:34,709
did you know that the hearings were

3164
02:11:38,870 --> 02:11:36,719
going to happen three days before the

3165
02:11:40,550 --> 02:11:38,880
release of your film

3166
02:11:42,870 --> 02:11:40,560
no

3167
02:11:45,669 --> 02:11:42,880
i i mean i was told

3168
02:11:47,750 --> 02:11:45,679
maybe a month ago by a very

3169
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:47,760
somebody that was at the hearing

3170
02:11:52,629 --> 02:11:49,440
um that

3171
02:11:55,589 --> 02:11:52,639
something was coming up and and i

3172
02:11:57,510 --> 02:11:55,599
usually i get a heads up and this person

3173
02:11:59,109 --> 02:11:57,520
would not share with me what it was so i

3174
02:12:01,510 --> 02:11:59,119
knew it was big

3175
02:12:03,430 --> 02:12:01,520
because we're close and

3176
02:12:05,589 --> 02:12:03,440
and then all of a sudden i heard last

3177
02:12:07,990 --> 02:12:05,599
week i'm like you gotta be kidding me

3178
02:12:09,510 --> 02:12:08,000
and she told me that that you know this

3179
02:12:10,709 --> 02:12:09,520
would be a good time to release your

3180
02:12:13,030 --> 02:12:10,719
film

3181
02:12:14,629 --> 02:12:13,040
not that i mean i was releasing anyway i

3182
02:12:17,990 --> 02:12:14,639
mean you know what i mean nothing

3183
02:12:19,189 --> 02:12:18,000
changed but i couldn't believe that that

3184
02:12:21,510 --> 02:12:19,199
happened

3185
02:12:23,589 --> 02:12:21,520
oh it's great timing man it's like

3186
02:12:26,790 --> 02:12:23,599
synchronicity you know like yeah yeah

3187
02:12:29,830 --> 02:12:26,800
but you have something to do with me

3188
02:12:32,069 --> 02:12:29,840
synchronicity is so overused right yeah

3189
02:12:32,950 --> 02:12:32,079
what's the word okay

3190
02:12:34,870 --> 02:12:32,960
but

3191
02:12:37,510 --> 02:12:34,880
synchronicity is wonderful

3192
02:12:40,950 --> 02:12:37,520
and it's always the universe winking on

3193
02:12:41,750 --> 02:12:40,960
you you know winking on you so now okay

3194
02:12:44,229 --> 02:12:41,760
so

3195
02:12:47,510 --> 02:12:44,239
let's let's get back on track here okay

3196
02:12:49,350 --> 02:12:47,520
when we have uh

3197
02:12:52,870 --> 02:12:49,360
the work of john mack

3198
02:12:55,430 --> 02:12:52,880
uh revisited in this film and presented

3199
02:12:58,470 --> 02:12:55,440
again it was so important and you know

3200
02:13:00,390 --> 02:12:58,480
what it almost got away from us that's

3201
02:13:02,629 --> 02:13:00,400
why this film is so great that we are

3202
02:13:03,750 --> 02:13:02,639
able to go back and and look at this and

3203
02:13:05,589 --> 02:13:03,760
see this

3204
02:13:08,470 --> 02:13:05,599
um very important

3205
02:13:10,229 --> 02:13:08,480
but the work of john mack and others

3206
02:13:13,510 --> 02:13:10,239
about the

3207
02:13:15,030 --> 02:13:13,520
uh contact and abduction phenomenon is

3208
02:13:16,390 --> 02:13:15,040
the part that isn't being discussed on

3209
02:13:18,550 --> 02:13:16,400
capitol hill

3210
02:13:21,189 --> 02:13:18,560
right and we we

3211
02:13:22,310 --> 02:13:21,199
those voices need to be heard don't they

3212
02:13:23,430 --> 02:13:22,320
yes

3213
02:13:24,470 --> 02:13:23,440
they do

3214
02:13:25,750 --> 02:13:24,480
um

3215
02:13:28,870 --> 02:13:25,760
i think the

3216
02:13:30,790 --> 02:13:28,880
capitol hill is taking it really slowly

3217
02:13:32,950 --> 02:13:30,800
as far as public i'd like to i would

3218
02:13:35,510 --> 02:13:32,960
love to have been in the minority report

3219
02:13:36,790 --> 02:13:35,520
meeting at noon you know the one after

3220
02:13:39,510 --> 02:13:36,800
the introduction

3221
02:13:42,790 --> 02:13:39,520
yeah yeah because uh that was the real

3222
02:13:45,430 --> 02:13:44,390
do you remember

3223
02:13:47,830 --> 02:13:45,440
in um

3224
02:13:50,390 --> 02:13:47,840
i said this last night on the show

3225
02:13:53,430 --> 02:13:50,400
when representative welch

3226
02:13:54,709 --> 02:13:53,440
uh is listening to the the jaws flapping

3227
02:13:57,430 --> 02:13:54,719
right

3228
02:13:59,510 --> 02:13:57,440
and and he just got things back on track

3229
02:14:01,270 --> 02:13:59,520
and said

3230
02:14:03,589 --> 02:14:01,280
what about e.t

3231
02:14:07,109 --> 02:14:03,599
right what about extraterrestrials

3232
02:14:09,350 --> 02:14:07,119
what about them visiting this planet

3233
02:14:10,830 --> 02:14:09,360
that's what this hearing is about

3234
02:14:14,310 --> 02:14:10,840
and i i've

3235
02:14:16,870 --> 02:14:14,320
i write and then he said exactly what

3236
02:14:18,629 --> 02:14:16,880
you just said right there which was okay

3237
02:14:19,950 --> 02:14:18,639
fine you don't want to talk about it now

3238
02:14:22,229 --> 02:14:19,960
but are we going to talk about

3239
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:22,239
extraterrestrials visiting this earth in

3240
02:14:26,870 --> 02:14:24,000
the classified briefing that's going to

3241
02:14:30,149 --> 02:14:26,880
follow this public hearing and i thought

3242
02:14:33,430 --> 02:14:30,159
did did that just happen

3243
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:33,440
right the significance of that

3244
02:14:36,790 --> 02:14:35,040
was

3245
02:14:40,629 --> 02:14:36,800
that's beyond measure

3246
02:14:42,550 --> 02:14:40,639
that was that was in a public forum by

3247
02:14:44,950 --> 02:14:42,560
an elected official

3248
02:14:46,870 --> 02:14:44,960
wants to know the truth about e.t

3249
02:14:48,550 --> 02:14:46,880
visiting this earth and if you can't say

3250
02:14:50,790 --> 02:14:48,560
it now are you going to talk to me about

3251
02:14:53,669 --> 02:14:50,800
it in the classified briefing that's a

3252
02:14:54,390 --> 02:14:53,679
holy crap moment isn't it yeah

3253
02:14:56,390 --> 02:14:54,400
yeah

3254
02:14:57,430 --> 02:14:56,400
i agree there was there was a lot of

3255
02:14:58,390 --> 02:14:57,440
those to

3256
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:58,400
in that

3257
02:15:02,149 --> 02:15:00,400
hearing that i was just wow i couldn't

3258
02:15:05,030 --> 02:15:02,159
believe it was happening

3259
02:15:07,189 --> 02:15:05,040
as a as a filmmaker

3260
02:15:09,350 --> 02:15:07,199
and a documentarian you know you know

3261
02:15:11,750 --> 02:15:09,360
what you do and of course uh an

3262
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:11,760
experience or yourself

3263
02:15:19,589 --> 02:15:16,719
um there was a comment yesterday that

3264
02:15:22,470 --> 02:15:19,599
uh i i i don't think we should

3265
02:15:24,870 --> 02:15:22,480
let it get away from us which was the

3266
02:15:27,669 --> 02:15:24,880
misinformation and disinformation put

3267
02:15:30,390 --> 02:15:27,679
out by amateur quote

3268
02:15:32,470 --> 02:15:30,400
amateur ufo groups and that there should

3269
02:15:36,709 --> 02:15:32,480
be deterrence

3270
02:15:38,149 --> 02:15:36,719
on this which is censorship right right

3271
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:38,159
what did you think of that as a member

3272
02:15:42,310 --> 02:15:39,760
of the media and somebody that is trying

3273
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:42,320
to get this information out there

3274
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:45,599
that's censorship that's 1984 isn't it i

3275
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:48,719
felt i i did feel that way um because

3276
02:15:53,109 --> 02:15:50,880
they some one of the senators asked

3277
02:15:55,430 --> 02:15:53,119
should there be legal implications for

3278
02:15:57,350 --> 02:15:55,440
these people you know he was asking the

3279
02:15:59,990 --> 02:15:57,360
air force

3280
02:16:02,790 --> 02:16:00,000
uh or the dod guy and um

3281
02:16:04,229 --> 02:16:02,800
yeah i mean i felt like that's kind of

3282
02:16:06,149 --> 02:16:04,239
the way they've been treating it the

3283
02:16:07,510 --> 02:16:06,159
whole time making people nervous that

3284
02:16:09,430 --> 02:16:07,520
something's going to happen to them if

3285
02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:09,440
they speak out about it you know

3286
02:16:12,709 --> 02:16:11,760
it was a little visit to the old days in

3287
02:16:16,310 --> 02:16:12,719
a way

3288
02:16:17,750 --> 02:16:16,320
it was it was it was burchette's um i

3289
02:16:19,270 --> 02:16:17,760
want to stay on this i'm so glad that

3290
02:16:20,709 --> 02:16:19,280
you saw this yesterday it's such a

3291
02:16:22,790 --> 02:16:20,719
significant day

3292
02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:22,800
and from your position you know as a

3293
02:16:27,189 --> 02:16:25,440
filmmaker uh yesterday just must have

3294
02:16:30,550 --> 02:16:27,199
been so intriguing

3295
02:16:33,589 --> 02:16:30,560
um which is berchette's uh comments

3296
02:16:36,150 --> 02:16:33,599
after the hearing when he said that this

3297
02:16:38,150 --> 02:16:36,160
cover-up needs to end

3298
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:38,160
and and again this is coming from an

3299
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:40,080
elected official that is obviously

3300
02:16:46,389 --> 02:16:42,639
frustrated he knows

3301
02:16:48,230 --> 02:16:46,399
he's being lied to right he knows this

3302
02:16:50,549 --> 02:16:48,240
and he said this cover-up has to end

3303
02:16:53,190 --> 02:16:50,559
this this was just a charade

3304
02:16:54,469 --> 02:16:53,200
this this has to end

3305
02:16:58,629 --> 02:16:54,479
is there

3306
02:17:00,870 --> 02:16:58,639
the government know united states

3307
02:17:04,469 --> 02:17:00,880
government do they know what's going on

3308
02:17:04,479 --> 02:17:07,190
um

3309
02:17:10,070 --> 02:17:09,030
that's a hard question to answer

3310
02:17:11,349 --> 02:17:10,080
straight

3311
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:11,359
uh

3312
02:17:19,270 --> 02:17:13,439
well i can tell you that i've met a lot

3313
02:17:22,309 --> 02:17:20,309
that

3314
02:17:24,150 --> 02:17:22,319
know an awful lot about this because

3315
02:17:26,150 --> 02:17:24,160
they're in the military

3316
02:17:28,469 --> 02:17:26,160
and have known and i've heard those

3317
02:17:30,389 --> 02:17:28,479
stories i'm not like a big conspiracy

3318
02:17:32,790 --> 02:17:30,399
theory guy but

3319
02:17:34,709 --> 02:17:32,800
you know truth is not conspiracy in my

3320
02:17:37,349 --> 02:17:34,719
mind when you hear it

3321
02:17:38,309 --> 02:17:37,359
over time and time again

3322
02:17:39,190 --> 02:17:38,319
and

3323
02:17:42,629 --> 02:17:39,200
i mean

3324
02:17:45,270 --> 02:17:42,639
you know i was told pretty directly like

3325
02:17:47,830 --> 02:17:45,280
the reason it is not

3326
02:17:51,190 --> 02:17:47,840
being uh the public is not aware is

3327
02:17:54,230 --> 02:17:51,200
because of the fear of panic

3328
02:17:56,790 --> 02:17:54,240
and i heard that from more than

3329
02:17:59,509 --> 02:17:56,800
i can tell you three very very

3330
02:18:01,190 --> 02:17:59,519
high-ranking people in the military

3331
02:18:02,790 --> 02:18:01,200
and i had to think about that for a

3332
02:18:05,750 --> 02:18:02,800
while you know

3333
02:18:08,150 --> 02:18:05,760
like i get what they're saying and

3334
02:18:10,469 --> 02:18:08,160
you know part of the oath of

3335
02:18:12,469 --> 02:18:10,479
is to protect your country and you know

3336
02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:12,479
to protect yourself from other countries

3337
02:18:18,070 --> 02:18:13,519
and

3338
02:18:20,629 --> 02:18:18,080
within your country you know

3339
02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:20,639
um that's not the wording it's said but

3340
02:18:26,230 --> 02:18:22,639
you know what i'm saying yeah i do but

3341
02:18:28,309 --> 02:18:26,240
what what what is there to panic about

3342
02:18:30,709 --> 02:18:28,319
well i guess that's the question

3343
02:18:33,750 --> 02:18:30,719
what is there to panic about

3344
02:18:35,589 --> 02:18:33,760
especially today in 2022 i don't think

3345
02:18:37,349 --> 02:18:35,599
there's anybody that

3346
02:18:38,629 --> 02:18:37,359
that doesn't think that there's life out

3347
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:38,639
there in the universe and that we're

3348
02:18:43,750 --> 02:18:41,040
being visited here i think that's the

3349
02:18:45,669 --> 02:18:43,760
general consensus of the planet what's

3350
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:45,679
there to panic about

3351
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:47,920
yeah that's a good question i don't know

3352
02:18:53,750 --> 02:18:50,160
the answer to that

3353
02:18:54,549 --> 02:18:53,760
yeah i don't yeah and uh the

3354
02:18:59,270 --> 02:18:54,559
the

3355
02:19:01,830 --> 02:18:59,280
because you just made this this film

3356
02:19:05,110 --> 02:19:01,840
these kids didn't panic

3357
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:05,120
right they they didn't panic uh uh

3358
02:19:09,429 --> 02:19:07,040
in the end

3359
02:19:12,230 --> 02:19:09,439
well no no even in the beginning i think

3360
02:19:14,070 --> 02:19:12,240
they were excited yeah but i don't think

3361
02:19:17,429 --> 02:19:14,080
anybody was scared i don't think you

3362
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:17,439
know okay they were so scared

3363
02:19:22,389 --> 02:19:19,280
i didn't arm up

3364
02:19:26,870 --> 02:19:25,349
you know they didn't burn down the town

3365
02:19:28,150 --> 02:19:26,880
they didn't panic

3366
02:19:29,830 --> 02:19:28,160
okay yeah

3367
02:19:32,549 --> 02:19:29,840
you're right um

3368
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:32,559
no but they the kids did did they

3369
02:19:36,709 --> 02:19:35,120
definitely all at one point just and i

3370
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:36,719
think it had to do with the sound this

3371
02:19:41,429 --> 02:19:39,200
thing was making um

3372
02:19:42,469 --> 02:19:41,439
and after that encounter with that

3373
02:19:44,389 --> 02:19:42,479
creature

3374
02:19:47,030 --> 02:19:44,399
just took off to the you know the

3375
02:19:49,110 --> 02:19:47,040
teachers room and uh like a hundred of

3376
02:19:51,910 --> 02:19:49,120
them and uh

3377
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:51,920
that's from the teacher herself and

3378
02:19:57,830 --> 02:19:54,880
and came you know they were terrified

3379
02:20:00,389 --> 02:19:57,840
but i think it was curiosity

3380
02:20:01,990 --> 02:20:00,399
you know definitely you know children

3381
02:20:03,429 --> 02:20:02,000
are very curious and

3382
02:20:04,550 --> 02:20:03,439
they've never seen anything like that

3383
02:20:06,309 --> 02:20:04,560
before

3384
02:20:08,950 --> 02:20:06,319
well the kids are all right they've seen

3385
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:08,960
elephants and you know they've it's

3386
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:11,120
africa you see all kinds of things we

3387
02:20:14,870 --> 02:20:12,160
never see

3388
02:20:16,389 --> 02:20:14,880
yeah and those kids are trained early

3389
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:16,399
because there's so many dangers in the

3390
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:18,880
wildlife they they're trained really

3391
02:20:25,030 --> 02:20:22,000
early on how to identify things

3392
02:20:25,830 --> 02:20:25,040
you know so they can stay alive

3393
02:20:27,830 --> 02:20:25,840
but

3394
02:20:28,870 --> 02:20:27,840
so this was a new creature on their land

3395
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:28,880
you know

3396
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:30,640
that's such a great point

3397
02:20:34,150 --> 02:20:33,040
those kids have seen a lion chase down a

3398
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:34,160
gazelle

3399
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:36,880
right okay that's pretty

3400
02:20:43,030 --> 02:20:38,880
happy

3401
02:20:44,309 --> 02:20:43,040
we would lose it and but uh so no i

3402
02:20:45,990 --> 02:20:44,319
don't think that there was a fear i

3403
02:20:47,110 --> 02:20:46,000
don't think these kids ever felt

3404
02:20:49,670 --> 02:20:47,120
threatened

3405
02:20:51,349 --> 02:20:49,680
in a predator sense from what they

3406
02:20:54,309 --> 02:20:51,359
witnessed i think they were excited they

3407
02:20:55,270 --> 02:20:54,319
didn't understand it for sure

3408
02:20:58,150 --> 02:20:55,280
but

3409
02:21:00,389 --> 02:20:58,160
nobody nobody felt threatened and nobody

3410
02:21:02,150 --> 02:21:00,399
spoke about being threatened

3411
02:21:04,230 --> 02:21:02,160
so what's the big fear i don't think

3412
02:21:05,510 --> 02:21:04,240
that these kids represent that at all

3413
02:21:08,870 --> 02:21:05,520
and i think that they were totally

3414
02:21:10,230 --> 02:21:08,880
honest in that if they um seriously

3415
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:10,240
randall if

3416
02:21:14,070 --> 02:21:12,399
if the threat narrative came out of

3417
02:21:16,309 --> 02:21:14,080
those kids that would have been

3418
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:16,319
amplified it would have been amplified

3419
02:21:21,349 --> 02:21:18,080
on the school yard and the next thing

3420
02:21:22,710 --> 02:21:21,359
you know there were ray guns and there

3421
02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:22,720
you know what i mean and

3422
02:21:25,510 --> 02:21:24,479
that that never happened

3423
02:21:28,550 --> 02:21:25,520
correct

3424
02:21:32,710 --> 02:21:28,560
yeah

3425
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:32,720
um

3426
02:21:41,750 --> 02:21:38,790
now what's uh what's the attitude of the

3427
02:21:44,309 --> 02:21:41,760
town today

3428
02:21:45,670 --> 02:21:44,319
do do do people remember it do they

3429
02:21:46,870 --> 02:21:45,680
still talk about

3430
02:21:48,950 --> 02:21:46,880
oh yeah

3431
02:21:50,469 --> 02:21:48,960
people all over africa know about it

3432
02:21:52,230 --> 02:21:50,479
still talk about it

3433
02:21:55,270 --> 02:21:52,240
oh it's the attitude

3434
02:21:57,510 --> 02:21:55,280
it it varies um sometimes there's a

3435
02:21:59,590 --> 02:21:57,520
little chuckle about it you know but

3436
02:22:02,630 --> 02:21:59,600
this was you know everything's changed

3437
02:22:05,670 --> 02:22:02,640
since you know in the last four years

3438
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:05,680
so it is a different time um

3439
02:22:10,469 --> 02:22:07,280
and i'm sure people are looking at it

3440
02:22:13,670 --> 02:22:10,479
much differently today in zimbabwe

3441
02:22:16,710 --> 02:22:13,680
and throughout africa

3442
02:22:20,550 --> 02:22:16,720
but i i found most people

3443
02:22:23,910 --> 02:22:20,560
to be honest uh were

3444
02:22:26,389 --> 02:22:23,920
didn't have a doubt that it happened

3445
02:22:28,230 --> 02:22:26,399
you know i i'd run into others too but

3446
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:28,240
the majority i was surprised i was

3447
02:22:32,870 --> 02:22:30,160
looking for people actually

3448
02:22:34,950 --> 02:22:32,880
that had an alternate explanation

3449
02:22:36,230 --> 02:22:34,960
i really was it was like what's i want

3450
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:36,240
to find the guy that doesn't believe

3451
02:22:40,230 --> 02:22:38,800
these kids that was hard

3452
02:22:41,990 --> 02:22:40,240
it was really hard

3453
02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:42,000
and when i found him

3454
02:22:46,790 --> 02:22:43,120
he

3455
02:22:51,110 --> 02:22:49,349
and i said well why you were so adamant

3456
02:22:53,510 --> 02:22:51,120
like why did you change your mind and he

3457
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:53,520
said uh it was the consistency in their

3458
02:22:57,110 --> 02:22:54,720
reports

3459
02:22:58,950 --> 02:22:57,120
was that was that the teacher that was

3460
02:23:00,630 --> 02:22:58,960
the teacher yeah

3461
02:23:03,030 --> 02:23:00,640
yeah yeah when he said they're all

3462
02:23:04,630 --> 02:23:03,040
making it up yeah i interviewed him

3463
02:23:06,630 --> 02:23:04,640
later you know

3464
02:23:09,110 --> 02:23:06,640
how old is he today

3465
02:23:12,630 --> 02:23:09,120
i think he's about 60

3466
02:23:14,870 --> 02:23:12,640
early 60s i'd say okay so he grew up

3467
02:23:16,309 --> 02:23:14,880
and realized

3468
02:23:18,150 --> 02:23:16,319
that uh

3469
02:23:19,670 --> 02:23:18,160
that the kids were just probably telling

3470
02:23:21,830 --> 02:23:19,680
the truth yeah

3471
02:23:24,550 --> 02:23:21,840
and it was funny because he actually

3472
02:23:27,270 --> 02:23:24,560
didn't spend much time with the kids

3473
02:23:30,230 --> 02:23:27,280
you know uh he taught shona

3474
02:23:31,349 --> 02:23:30,240
and uh he didn't he with most you know

3475
02:23:33,510 --> 02:23:31,359
it was a very

3476
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:33,520
specific class for the

3477
02:23:37,110 --> 02:23:35,760
the village um

3478
02:23:39,670 --> 02:23:37,120
near the school

3479
02:23:42,150 --> 02:23:39,680
right right yeah so anyway it was a lot

3480
02:23:44,070 --> 02:23:42,160
of dynamics going on

3481
02:23:47,429 --> 02:23:44,080
i was so glad he wasn't on the cutting

3482
02:23:50,309 --> 02:23:47,439
room floor um you could have very easily

3483
02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:50,319
removed him from the film but

3484
02:23:55,349 --> 02:23:52,399
but he made me angry

3485
02:23:57,429 --> 02:23:55,359
and and i like that uh about a film a

3486
02:23:58,870 --> 02:23:57,439
film needs i need to be challenged i

3487
02:24:00,389 --> 02:23:58,880
don't want to sit there and agree with

3488
02:24:01,590 --> 02:24:00,399
everything that i see that's that's

3489
02:24:03,190 --> 02:24:01,600
boring

3490
02:24:05,030 --> 02:24:03,200
um but

3491
02:24:07,510 --> 02:24:05,040
listening to him

3492
02:24:09,429 --> 02:24:07,520
and and i thought to myself you know you

3493
02:24:10,309 --> 02:24:09,439
work at a school

3494
02:24:13,830 --> 02:24:10,319
and

3495
02:24:15,750 --> 02:24:13,840
your attitude on the school yard is that

3496
02:24:17,270 --> 02:24:15,760
kids don't tell the truth

3497
02:24:19,270 --> 02:24:17,280
right and that

3498
02:24:21,429 --> 02:24:19,280
not only about the ufo event but he's

3499
02:24:22,950 --> 02:24:21,439
just like this is just what kids do

3500
02:24:25,110 --> 02:24:22,960
right they just make everything up and

3501
02:24:26,950 --> 02:24:25,120
that's what's going on here

3502
02:24:29,590 --> 02:24:26,960
and uh yeah it really made me angry i'm

3503
02:24:31,110 --> 02:24:29,600
i'm glad that his part uh was left in

3504
02:24:32,790 --> 02:24:31,120
the film

3505
02:24:34,469 --> 02:24:32,800
oh god yeah

3506
02:24:35,590 --> 02:24:34,479
in the short time that we have left

3507
02:24:37,910 --> 02:24:35,600
randall

3508
02:24:38,790 --> 02:24:37,920
do you feel

3509
02:24:42,950 --> 02:24:38,800
that

3510
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:42,960
mind

3511
02:24:47,270 --> 02:24:44,080
are we

3512
02:24:51,590 --> 02:24:47,280
about to have true disclosure are these

3513
02:24:54,630 --> 02:24:52,389
uh

3514
02:24:57,270 --> 02:24:54,640
i i believe so

3515
02:25:00,550 --> 02:24:57,280
i mean i i thought i'd you know

3516
02:25:02,230 --> 02:25:00,560
be dead and gone before this all came

3517
02:25:05,510 --> 02:25:02,240
forward um

3518
02:25:07,990 --> 02:25:05,520
but i do see enough things happening

3519
02:25:09,110 --> 02:25:08,000
that uh and where

3520
02:25:12,070 --> 02:25:09,120
you know we're

3521
02:25:14,389 --> 02:25:12,080
we're not doing so well on this planet

3522
02:25:16,309 --> 02:25:14,399
you know realistically and uh if there

3523
02:25:18,710 --> 02:25:16,319
was any time it was gonna

3524
02:25:21,429 --> 02:25:18,720
come out now would be the time

3525
02:25:23,750 --> 02:25:21,439
and uh so i do think we're in that age

3526
02:25:26,309 --> 02:25:23,760
which is gonna be known as an epic you

3527
02:25:27,910 --> 02:25:26,319
know a a shift in

3528
02:25:30,469 --> 02:25:27,920
our whole

3529
02:25:31,830 --> 02:25:30,479
everything yeah

3530
02:25:34,309 --> 02:25:31,840
i don't even know what that looks like

3531
02:25:36,230 --> 02:25:34,319
but i think that's what's going on

3532
02:25:38,230 --> 02:25:36,240
and i think oh we gotta we gotta you

3533
02:25:39,910 --> 02:25:38,240
know the one thing i really believe is

3534
02:25:41,030 --> 02:25:39,920
like if you don't

3535
02:25:44,870 --> 02:25:41,040
align

3536
02:25:46,790 --> 02:25:44,880
with the truth for

3537
02:25:48,230 --> 02:25:46,800
for too long the truth is going to come

3538
02:25:49,830 --> 02:25:48,240
back and show you

3539
02:25:51,830 --> 02:25:49,840
what the truth is

3540
02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:51,840
you know what i mean as far as what's

3541
02:25:53,990 --> 02:25:53,040
real

3542
02:25:55,429 --> 02:25:54,000
and

3543
02:25:57,349 --> 02:25:55,439
i don't know how long these things have

3544
02:25:58,630 --> 02:25:57,359
been around but

3545
02:26:02,150 --> 02:25:58,640
uh

3546
02:26:03,750 --> 02:26:02,160
the longer we ignore them so to speak or

3547
02:26:06,870 --> 02:26:03,760
not know about them

3548
02:26:07,830 --> 02:26:06,880
that's the worse it is for us

3549
02:26:11,190 --> 02:26:07,840
you know

3550
02:26:15,030 --> 02:26:13,510
in the way the universe is there is

3551
02:26:19,270 --> 02:26:15,040
other life out there

3552
02:26:21,349 --> 02:26:19,280
uh

3553
02:26:23,270 --> 02:26:21,359
your your take on this is an interesting

3554
02:26:26,950 --> 02:26:23,280
one because

3555
02:26:29,510 --> 02:26:26,960
i was i still am that hopeful that we

3556
02:26:30,790 --> 02:26:29,520
the lessons learned after a two-year

3557
02:26:33,590 --> 02:26:30,800
pandemic

3558
02:26:36,389 --> 02:26:33,600
of you know every country on this planet

3559
02:26:38,550 --> 02:26:36,399
being affected by this economically and

3560
02:26:40,150 --> 02:26:38,560
death and sickness and

3561
02:26:42,389 --> 02:26:40,160
and everything else and the cultural

3562
02:26:44,790 --> 02:26:42,399
divides that came out of this that we

3563
02:26:46,870 --> 02:26:44,800
would in the end

3564
02:26:48,870 --> 02:26:46,880
mature just a little bit and learn how

3565
02:26:51,110 --> 02:26:48,880
to love each other just a little bit

3566
02:26:52,790 --> 02:26:51,120
more and that we can understand that we

3567
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:52,800
are all earthlings we're not we're not

3568
02:26:56,309 --> 02:26:55,359
that different right we're all the same

3569
02:27:01,590 --> 02:26:56,319
and

3570
02:27:02,950 --> 02:27:01,600
that as we start to

3571
02:27:05,510 --> 02:27:02,960
i think that we all know that the

3572
02:27:06,950 --> 02:27:05,520
pandemic in the general sense is over

3573
02:27:10,389 --> 02:27:06,960
and now we can start to look at the

3574
02:27:13,030 --> 02:27:10,399
future now yeah and you're right

3575
02:27:16,150 --> 02:27:13,040
what a great opportunity

3576
02:27:17,830 --> 02:27:16,160
right then to have disclosure happen now

3577
02:27:20,630 --> 02:27:17,840
it's perfect

3578
02:27:22,630 --> 02:27:20,640
now is that by design

3579
02:27:24,309 --> 02:27:22,640
hmm

3580
02:27:26,710 --> 02:27:24,319
right let's go to synchronicities and

3581
02:27:27,429 --> 02:27:26,720
coincidence right

3582
02:27:29,670 --> 02:27:27,439
yeah

3583
02:27:33,190 --> 02:27:29,680
so i agree with you i do what what

3584
02:27:34,230 --> 02:27:33,200
perfect timing for this i agree

3585
02:27:36,469 --> 02:27:34,240
yeah

3586
02:27:38,550 --> 02:27:36,479
great conversation tonight randy

3587
02:27:41,190 --> 02:27:38,560
thank you so much for uh

3588
02:27:44,469 --> 02:27:41,200
good luck now look this is the deal uh

3589
02:27:46,790 --> 02:27:44,479
look i'm just telling you right now i'm

3590
02:27:49,510 --> 02:27:46,800
going to get you back on the show

3591
02:27:51,670 --> 02:27:49,520
and we're going to talk about you

3592
02:27:52,469 --> 02:27:51,680
so just get ready i'm just telling you

3593
02:27:54,790 --> 02:27:52,479
you're going

3594
02:27:56,150 --> 02:27:54,800
no yes it is it's going to happen and i

3595
02:27:58,630 --> 02:27:56,160
look forward to that conversation

3596
02:28:01,670 --> 02:27:58,640
randall enjoy the next couple of days

3597
02:28:04,309 --> 02:28:01,680
it's going to be a big day on the 20th

3598
02:28:06,309 --> 02:28:04,319
and the whole world needs

3599
02:28:08,710 --> 02:28:06,319
to see this film thank you so much for

3600
02:28:10,389 --> 02:28:08,720
making me yeah i appreciate it

3601
02:28:13,429 --> 02:28:10,399
great conversation thank you so much and

3602
02:28:16,070 --> 02:28:13,439
the links for randall are right there in

3603
02:28:17,349 --> 02:28:16,080
social media we've got it over on our

3604
02:28:19,590 --> 02:28:17,359
website

3605
02:28:22,790 --> 02:28:19,600
everything is available you can

3606
02:28:24,270 --> 02:28:22,800
pre-order now the film is called ariel

3607
02:28:26,469 --> 02:28:24,280
phenomenon you go to

3608
02:28:27,830 --> 02:28:26,479
aerialphenomenon.com as well

3609
02:28:29,750 --> 02:28:27,840
i'm your host jimmy church i'm going to

3610
02:28:33,630 --> 02:28:29,760
take a quick break and come back i'm

3611
02:28:42,469 --> 02:28:37,550
747-228-2051 i'll be right back

3612
02:28:49,590 --> 02:28:42,479
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3613
02:28:57,590 --> 02:28:49,600
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3614
02:29:01,270 --> 02:28:59,750
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3615
02:29:06,230 --> 02:29:01,280
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3616
02:29:10,550 --> 02:29:08,070
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3617
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3618
02:29:24,980 --> 02:29:18,309
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3619
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3698
02:33:42,070 --> 02:33:32,980
[Music]

3699
02:33:43,410 --> 02:33:42,080
welcome back fade to black i am your

3700
02:33:44,469 --> 02:33:43,420
host jimmy church

3701
02:33:48,309 --> 02:33:44,479
[Music]

3702
02:33:51,990 --> 02:33:48,319
the film is an amazing film uh randall

3703
02:33:53,349 --> 02:33:52,000
nickerson uh put a lot of

3704
02:33:59,349 --> 02:33:53,359
uh

3705
02:34:02,070 --> 02:33:59,359
combination of of things you do have

3706
02:34:04,550 --> 02:34:02,080
truly you have the hero's journey

3707
02:34:08,630 --> 02:34:04,560
from a few different perspectives

3708
02:34:11,270 --> 02:34:08,640
but uh as a documentary you also get all

3709
02:34:12,389 --> 02:34:11,280
of the archival footage and and john

3710
02:34:15,670 --> 02:34:12,399
mack

3711
02:34:18,550 --> 02:34:15,680
and uh the the other stuff that that

3712
02:34:21,110 --> 02:34:18,560
took part historically uh back then at

3713
02:34:24,550 --> 02:34:21,120
that time and so you get all of that in

3714
02:34:26,550 --> 02:34:24,560
the film uh it's a tremendous watch i've

3715
02:34:29,670 --> 02:34:26,560
i've seen it three times now

3716
02:34:31,590 --> 02:34:29,680
and and and he's right you get to the

3717
02:34:34,389 --> 02:34:31,600
end and you just can't

3718
02:34:37,510 --> 02:34:34,399
can't help but be affected uh

3719
02:34:40,309 --> 02:34:37,520
by by everything and and how

3720
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:40,319
uh these individuals uh were affected

3721
02:34:44,469 --> 02:34:42,080
personally it's just it's it's a

3722
02:34:46,710 --> 02:34:44,479
tremendous film so it premieres on may

3723
02:34:48,309 --> 02:34:46,720
20th and again the links for it

3724
02:34:50,230 --> 02:34:48,319
uh are throughout social media and you

3725
02:34:52,309 --> 02:34:50,240
can also go over to jimmychurchradio.com

3726
02:34:54,870 --> 02:34:52,319
we've got the links right there and and

3727
02:34:55,910 --> 02:34:54,880
go i can't wait to uh to hear from all

3728
02:34:58,070 --> 02:34:55,920
of you

3729
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:58,080
um after you have seen the film i have

3730
02:35:00,630 --> 02:34:59,439
opened up the phone lines i haven't done

3731
02:35:02,790 --> 02:35:00,640
this in a while we've done a lot of

3732
02:35:04,950 --> 02:35:02,800
overtime seven four seven two two eight

3733
02:35:07,349 --> 02:35:04,960
two zero five one

3734
02:35:09,590 --> 02:35:07,359
um yeah we just couldn't get the video

3735
02:35:11,590 --> 02:35:09,600
side of things happening tonight

3736
02:35:13,590 --> 02:35:11,600
and uh it was a struggle that started

3737
02:35:15,910 --> 02:35:13,600
before the show and

3738
02:35:17,270 --> 02:35:15,920
uh we got close but it just never

3739
02:35:19,429 --> 02:35:17,280
happened and

3740
02:35:21,110 --> 02:35:19,439
now i'm all used to it and so are you

3741
02:35:23,190 --> 02:35:21,120
but uh

3742
02:35:24,870 --> 02:35:23,200
there you go it's like old school

3743
02:35:27,190 --> 02:35:24,880
old school radio i should have taken

3744
02:35:29,030 --> 02:35:27,200
myself off of the screen and that's it

3745
02:35:31,190 --> 02:35:29,040
you would have just had the audio up

3746
02:35:32,790 --> 02:35:31,200
there but uh nonetheless

3747
02:35:35,510 --> 02:35:32,800
uh what a great conversation i want to

3748
02:35:38,790 --> 02:35:35,520
thank randall for uh coming in tonight

3749
02:35:40,389 --> 02:35:38,800
and i i just i i can't wait for the

3750
02:35:42,630 --> 02:35:40,399
for yours and the rest of the world's

3751
02:35:45,110 --> 02:35:42,640
reaction to this great film okay

3752
02:35:46,630 --> 02:35:45,120
all right with that seven four seven two

3753
02:35:48,309 --> 02:35:46,640
two eight two zero five one i've got

3754
02:35:49,830 --> 02:35:48,319
calls on hold let's see who is up first

3755
02:35:51,670 --> 02:35:49,840
hi you're live on fade to black who's

3756
02:35:55,030 --> 02:35:51,680
calling

3757
02:35:56,950 --> 02:35:55,040
this is lafayette jimmy from

3758
02:35:58,870 --> 02:35:56,960
court of militia california how are you

3759
02:36:01,590 --> 02:35:58,880
lafayette

3760
02:36:04,309 --> 02:36:01,600
how you doing jimmy i have a prediction

3761
02:36:06,309 --> 02:36:04,319
that it's just from a dream but it's

3762
02:36:08,710 --> 02:36:06,319
kind of rowdy i think i think the white

3763
02:36:10,630 --> 02:36:08,720
lady was in my dream

3764
02:36:13,670 --> 02:36:10,640
uh it said

3765
02:36:15,830 --> 02:36:13,680
possible terrorism at the edc in las

3766
02:36:19,750 --> 02:36:15,840
vegas this weekend

3767
02:36:20,790 --> 02:36:19,760
say what okay so okay hold on a minute

3768
02:36:23,990 --> 02:36:20,800
here

3769
02:36:28,710 --> 02:36:24,000
uh what's the edc

3770
02:36:31,030 --> 02:36:28,720
electronic daisy carnival yeah and uh

3771
02:36:32,950 --> 02:36:31,040
yeah most of the audience don't know

3772
02:36:35,190 --> 02:36:32,960
uh the

3773
02:36:36,630 --> 02:36:35,200
what is it the spectacle

3774
02:36:43,030 --> 02:36:36,640
that is

3775
02:36:44,230 --> 02:36:43,040
no no no no i had a dream a long time

3776
02:36:46,150 --> 02:36:44,240
ago

3777
02:36:48,870 --> 02:36:46,160
since i called your show the tall whites

3778
02:36:52,630 --> 02:36:48,880
have been showing up in my dreams okay

3779
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:52,640
okay they usually show up as a group

3780
02:36:56,550 --> 02:36:54,800
and it's they're information peddlers or

3781
02:36:57,830 --> 02:36:56,560
something i'm using an occult bookstore

3782
02:37:00,309 --> 02:36:57,840
but this one was

3783
02:37:03,590 --> 02:37:00,319
a single woman

3784
02:37:04,790 --> 02:37:03,600
and it was at a carnival in las vegas

3785
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:04,800
and there wasn't any violence or

3786
02:37:07,030 --> 02:37:06,000
anything but there was like a showgirl

3787
02:37:08,550 --> 02:37:07,040
crying and everybody's looking at the

3788
02:37:10,469 --> 02:37:08,560
neon and then when my friend was telling

3789
02:37:12,550 --> 02:37:10,479
me about the edc i go man i would want

3790
02:37:13,910 --> 02:37:12,560
to go to that

3791
02:37:19,349 --> 02:37:13,920
so

3792
02:37:21,750 --> 02:37:19,359
because i

3793
02:37:23,510 --> 02:37:21,760
figured out a conspiracy and jammed it

3794
02:37:25,190 --> 02:37:23,520
up by predicting it and it didn't happen

3795
02:37:26,710 --> 02:37:25,200
but ever since then people been dying

3796
02:37:30,830 --> 02:37:26,720
around me today my calls are somewhat

3797
02:37:35,910 --> 02:37:34,309
okay well i'm feeling pretty good

3798
02:37:40,550 --> 02:37:35,920
so far

3799
02:37:42,469 --> 02:37:40,560
when you uh let out from laughing and

3800
02:37:44,309 --> 02:37:42,479
portrayed by spooks and vans that's a

3801
02:37:46,150 --> 02:37:44,319
little message that through licensing

3802
02:37:49,990 --> 02:37:46,160
yeah

3803
02:37:52,309 --> 02:37:50,000
sort of um i would uh

3804
02:37:53,990 --> 02:37:52,319
it's interesting that you you mentioned

3805
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:54,000
that because

3806
02:37:58,389 --> 02:37:56,479
uh my attitude's a little bit different

3807
02:38:00,710 --> 02:37:58,399
and which is this

3808
02:38:04,870 --> 02:38:00,720
if the man

3809
02:38:07,030 --> 02:38:04,880
is not aware of this show

3810
02:38:08,950 --> 02:38:07,040
the man's not doing his job

3811
02:38:10,469 --> 02:38:08,960
it's that simple absolutely it's that

3812
02:38:13,270 --> 02:38:10,479
simple so

3813
02:38:16,150 --> 02:38:13,280
um i would expect

3814
02:38:17,349 --> 02:38:16,160
at least some sort of observation and

3815
02:38:20,630 --> 02:38:17,359
contact

3816
02:38:22,389 --> 02:38:20,640
well i would expect that why not sure

3817
02:38:24,150 --> 02:38:22,399
right sure why not i'm sure there's

3818
02:38:27,030 --> 02:38:24,160
hybrids i'm sure there's hybrids at the

3819
02:38:29,429 --> 02:38:27,040
ufo conferences telepathically pushing

3820
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:29,439
ideas as well just like the air force

3821
02:38:33,590 --> 02:38:31,760
books show up at ufo conferences

3822
02:38:35,110 --> 02:38:33,600
sure and i'm sure they're they're at

3823
02:38:36,550 --> 02:38:35,120
everyone

3824
02:38:37,750 --> 02:38:36,560
um

3825
02:38:39,830 --> 02:38:37,760
uh now

3826
02:38:41,429 --> 02:38:39,840
the the question is

3827
02:38:43,030 --> 02:38:41,439
are they

3828
02:38:46,469 --> 02:38:43,040
there

3829
02:38:49,510 --> 02:38:46,479
just

3830
02:38:50,630 --> 02:38:49,520
hear what the community is talking about

3831
02:38:53,590 --> 02:38:50,640
um are

3832
02:38:56,230 --> 02:38:53,600
are they there for something more

3833
02:38:58,150 --> 02:38:56,240
gnarly like maybe spread disinformation

3834
02:38:59,510 --> 02:38:58,160
maybe tell a story that wasn't true to

3835
02:39:01,590 --> 02:38:59,520
somebody else

3836
02:39:03,750 --> 02:39:01,600
because the stories do get traded and

3837
02:39:05,830 --> 02:39:03,760
the experiences it's an open forum and

3838
02:39:08,389 --> 02:39:05,840
that's one of the wonderful things about

3839
02:39:09,670 --> 02:39:08,399
ufo conferences man anybody can talk

3840
02:39:12,469 --> 02:39:09,680
about anything

3841
02:39:14,790 --> 02:39:12,479
right so last night man two reptilian

3842
02:39:17,910 --> 02:39:14,800
women came into my room

3843
02:39:18,790 --> 02:39:17,920
and and and i'm gonna listen everybody

3844
02:39:21,670 --> 02:39:18,800
does

3845
02:39:22,790 --> 02:39:21,680
um so to that end

3846
02:39:25,830 --> 02:39:22,800
um

3847
02:39:27,429 --> 02:39:25,840
i would think and i you know i i put

3848
02:39:30,790 --> 02:39:27,439
some thought to this

3849
02:39:32,469 --> 02:39:30,800
that if an agency or two or the air

3850
02:39:34,469 --> 02:39:32,479
force or the navy or whatever are gonna

3851
02:39:35,830 --> 02:39:34,479
send somebody to a ufo conference what's

3852
02:39:37,429 --> 02:39:35,840
the reason why

3853
02:39:39,270 --> 02:39:37,439
i would think

3854
02:39:42,550 --> 02:39:39,280
it's for this reason

3855
02:39:45,110 --> 02:39:42,560
people in the ufo community know stuff

3856
02:39:47,270 --> 02:39:45,120
they do man they've got their networks

3857
02:39:49,910 --> 02:39:47,280
they're communicating to people

3858
02:39:50,870 --> 02:39:49,920
and there is a wealth of information

3859
02:39:51,830 --> 02:39:50,880
there

3860
02:39:54,150 --> 02:39:51,840
that

3861
02:39:55,349 --> 02:39:54,160
even the agencies would have a hard time

3862
02:39:57,510 --> 02:39:55,359
collecting

3863
02:39:59,510 --> 02:39:57,520
right but if you go to your ufo

3864
02:40:01,990 --> 02:39:59,520
conference and you're just rubbing

3865
02:40:04,389 --> 02:40:02,000
elbows and you you know you're not in

3866
02:40:06,550 --> 02:40:04,399
uniform you don't have a badge that says

3867
02:40:08,230 --> 02:40:06,560
langley virginia right you're not

3868
02:40:11,510 --> 02:40:08,240
walking around like that

3869
02:40:12,870 --> 02:40:11,520
you look like you know um and you look

3870
02:40:14,790 --> 02:40:12,880
totally normal and you're gonna be able

3871
02:40:16,309 --> 02:40:14,800
to hear things and then go back and go

3872
02:40:18,070 --> 02:40:16,319
you know what there was this sighting

3873
02:40:20,630 --> 02:40:18,080
over here there was this that happened

3874
02:40:23,269 --> 02:40:20,640
over here there's a description of a a

3875
02:40:26,150 --> 02:40:23,279
craft i saw a video you know whatever

3876
02:40:28,230 --> 02:40:26,160
and you can collect information at these

3877
02:40:30,230 --> 02:40:28,240
ufo conferences that you're not going to

3878
02:40:32,710 --> 02:40:30,240
get anywhere else so i think in a

3879
02:40:36,070 --> 02:40:32,720
general sense that's you know why they

3880
02:40:37,670 --> 02:40:36,080
are there is there some black eye thing

3881
02:40:40,469 --> 02:40:37,680
behind it where they would be spreading

3882
02:40:43,510 --> 02:40:40,479
misinformation and that's gone down for

3883
02:40:44,950 --> 02:40:43,520
sure but i think in a general sense

3884
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:44,960
um

3885
02:40:50,710 --> 02:40:47,760
uh it's uh to collect information when

3886
02:40:52,870 --> 02:40:50,720
um you know the big hacker conference um

3887
02:40:54,870 --> 02:40:52,880
in las vegas and there's another one in

3888
02:40:56,550 --> 02:40:54,880
in new york it's called hope but at the

3889
02:40:59,030 --> 02:40:56,560
hacker conference where they play you

3890
02:41:00,309 --> 02:40:59,040
know spot the fed right which which i've

3891
02:41:03,990 --> 02:41:00,319
played

3892
02:41:06,309 --> 02:41:04,000
from time to time and and and i watched

3893
02:41:08,790 --> 02:41:06,319
a video you can go and watch spot the

3894
02:41:12,469 --> 02:41:08,800
fed videos on youtube and they're great

3895
02:41:14,790 --> 02:41:12,479
and i remember um specifically this one

3896
02:41:17,429 --> 02:41:14,800
and they all blow my mind because

3897
02:41:19,429 --> 02:41:17,439
the the one that turns out to be

3898
02:41:21,990 --> 02:41:19,439
from the office of naval intelligence

3899
02:41:23,190 --> 02:41:22,000
right or from you know what i mean

3900
02:41:26,550 --> 02:41:23,200
whatever

3901
02:41:29,269 --> 02:41:26,560
um uh is the last one that you would

3902
02:41:30,469 --> 02:41:29,279
suspect so uh you know so they got like

3903
02:41:32,389 --> 02:41:30,479
eight

3904
02:41:34,389 --> 02:41:32,399
uh so they they do this with the

3905
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:34,399
audience lafayette

3906
02:41:39,030 --> 02:41:36,160
and the audience okay who do you think

3907
02:41:40,150 --> 02:41:39,040
is a fed and audience members stand up

3908
02:41:41,190 --> 02:41:40,160
right there

3909
02:41:44,150 --> 02:41:41,200
okay

3910
02:41:47,030 --> 02:41:44,160
up on stage right and so and so they

3911
02:41:48,550 --> 02:41:47,040
line up like eight people right and one

3912
02:41:51,510 --> 02:41:48,560
of them is a fed

3913
02:41:53,510 --> 02:41:51,520
one right well maybe more than one but

3914
02:41:55,910 --> 02:41:53,520
you're watching the questioning and they

3915
02:41:59,670 --> 02:41:55,920
all get a t-shirt right i was picked to

3916
02:42:02,950 --> 02:41:59,680
spot the fed and then the winner gets i

3917
02:42:05,269 --> 02:42:02,960
i was i was spotted right

3918
02:42:07,670 --> 02:42:05,279
and you know oh so this is arranged

3919
02:42:09,429 --> 02:42:07,680
yeah yeah and so anyway

3920
02:42:11,750 --> 02:42:09,439
um and they go through they're

3921
02:42:14,230 --> 02:42:11,760
eliminating are you a fed you know no

3922
02:42:16,309 --> 02:42:14,240
i'm not okay off the stage off and and

3923
02:42:18,150 --> 02:42:16,319
people are voting people are looking and

3924
02:42:23,110 --> 02:42:18,160
and it was just this

3925
02:42:26,710 --> 02:42:23,120
um i'm serious too look like to me

3926
02:42:29,110 --> 02:42:26,720
um a former

3927
02:42:30,950 --> 02:42:29,120
party girl in college

3928
02:42:33,349 --> 02:42:30,960
now housewife

3929
02:42:35,349 --> 02:42:33,359
right so picture that in your mind

3930
02:42:38,389 --> 02:42:35,359
the last thing that you would think is

3931
02:42:41,030 --> 02:42:38,399
some counterintelligence espionage

3932
02:42:44,070 --> 02:42:41,040
uh a hacker uh

3933
02:42:46,230 --> 02:42:44,080
agency person right and you're looking

3934
02:42:47,110 --> 02:42:46,240
at her you're like what

3935
02:42:49,429 --> 02:42:47,120
and

3936
02:42:52,469 --> 02:42:49,439
i guarantee it i i just guarantee it so

3937
02:42:55,990 --> 02:42:52,479
now take that idea

3938
02:42:57,910 --> 02:42:56,000
and put that over into a ufo conference

3939
02:42:59,030 --> 02:42:57,920
if somebody is there you just wouldn't

3940
02:43:01,269 --> 02:42:59,040
know

3941
02:43:05,110 --> 02:43:01,279
you're walking by these people the ones

3942
02:43:07,269 --> 02:43:05,120
that look fed aren't fed right

3943
02:43:09,910 --> 02:43:07,279
that's part of their job yeah yeah yeah

3944
02:43:12,950 --> 02:43:09,920
yeah yeah so i've always found that part

3945
02:43:15,429 --> 02:43:12,960
uh very very very interesting

3946
02:43:16,710 --> 02:43:15,439
and you know there's a couple

3947
02:43:18,309 --> 02:43:16,720
go ahead a couple questions you could

3948
02:43:21,269 --> 02:43:18,319
ask someone and i'll do it with you

3949
02:43:23,349 --> 02:43:21,279
jimmy yeah jimmy has anyone ever offered

3950
02:43:24,389 --> 02:43:23,359
you money or anything else to say that

3951
02:43:26,710 --> 02:43:24,399
the

3952
02:43:27,830 --> 02:43:26,720
u.s military industrial complex hasn't

3953
02:43:29,030 --> 02:43:27,840
developed

3954
02:43:31,190 --> 02:43:29,040
ufos

3955
02:43:33,190 --> 02:43:31,200
yes

3956
02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:33,200
someone has offered you

3957
02:43:35,190 --> 02:43:34,080
sure

3958
02:43:37,750 --> 02:43:35,200
so

3959
02:43:39,750 --> 02:43:37,760
did you ever take it no

3960
02:43:41,990 --> 02:43:39,760
don't have to declare that under penalty

3961
02:43:43,349 --> 02:43:42,000
perjury

3962
02:43:44,870 --> 02:43:43,359
you know that's the one because it's a

3963
02:43:47,510 --> 02:43:44,880
felony if you lie on that one right

3964
02:43:51,429 --> 02:43:47,520
right right see here's the thing

3965
02:43:52,630 --> 02:43:51,439
um i i think that early on with this

3966
02:43:55,030 --> 02:43:52,640
show

3967
02:43:56,710 --> 02:43:55,040
um and i'm talking about the first four

3968
02:44:00,349 --> 02:43:56,720
or five years

3969
02:44:02,150 --> 02:44:00,359
um i was contacted constantly

3970
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:02,160
constantly

3971
02:44:05,349 --> 02:44:03,200
with uh

3972
02:44:08,230 --> 02:44:05,359
with with the craziest

3973
02:44:09,269 --> 02:44:08,240
look you just have to but the the point

3974
02:44:12,469 --> 02:44:09,279
is

3975
02:44:16,630 --> 02:44:12,479
that because i didn't take the bait

3976
02:44:18,389 --> 02:44:16,640
right and and and and things that um and

3977
02:44:22,790 --> 02:44:18,399
i've always been very cautious

3978
02:44:25,110 --> 02:44:22,800
that that part of it has slowed down

3979
02:44:27,750 --> 02:44:25,120
all right it it's just simply slowed

3980
02:44:30,230 --> 02:44:27,760
down it's not like it was because they

3981
02:44:33,269 --> 02:44:30,240
know that i'm i'm just i'm not a player

3982
02:44:35,750 --> 02:44:33,279
i just do my own thing here and and and

3983
02:44:36,870 --> 02:44:35,760
that is it i'm not interested

3984
02:44:41,030 --> 02:44:36,880
um

3985
02:44:42,790 --> 02:44:41,040
uh so yeah but early on it was uh it was

3986
02:44:45,670 --> 02:44:42,800
always a challenge

3987
02:44:48,150 --> 02:44:45,680
and and and looking at some of these

3988
02:44:48,950 --> 02:44:48,160
statements and things in office

3989
02:44:50,630 --> 02:44:48,960
um

3990
02:44:52,150 --> 02:44:50,640
where i was like

3991
02:44:59,269 --> 02:44:52,160
no

3992
02:45:03,269 --> 02:44:59,279
here's the thing

3993
02:45:05,750 --> 02:45:03,279
um i know that

3994
02:45:09,910 --> 02:45:05,760
some people can't say no

3995
02:45:11,349 --> 02:45:09,920
and it's not that they even know that it

3996
02:45:14,469 --> 02:45:11,359
it could be misinformation or

3997
02:45:15,269 --> 02:45:14,479
disinformation they don't know that um

3998
02:45:17,349 --> 02:45:15,279
that

3999
02:45:19,269 --> 02:45:17,359
they're more interested in

4000
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:19,279
wow man i can share this knowledge i got

4001
02:45:23,910 --> 02:45:22,000
the i got the exclusive on this right oh

4002
02:45:25,750 --> 02:45:23,920
man oh let's see you know i'm gonna go

4003
02:45:27,750 --> 02:45:25,760
and they don't

4004
02:45:31,110 --> 02:45:27,760
they they're not using not only

4005
02:45:32,150 --> 02:45:31,120
discernment but just basic common sense

4006
02:45:41,670 --> 02:45:32,160
and

4007
02:45:43,670 --> 02:45:41,680
where i went well you know i got that

4008
02:45:45,030 --> 02:45:43,680
i got that email i got that phone call

4009
02:45:47,030 --> 02:45:45,040
six months ago

4010
02:45:48,790 --> 02:45:47,040
and and finally they got somebody to

4011
02:45:50,870 --> 02:45:48,800
take debate on it

4012
02:45:53,830 --> 02:45:50,880
and uh and that's that's what i find

4013
02:45:54,710 --> 02:45:53,840
really really interesting um

4014
02:45:57,030 --> 02:45:54,720
uh

4015
02:45:59,269 --> 02:45:57,040
yeah yeah so okay you said you had a

4016
02:46:01,190 --> 02:45:59,279
second question

4017
02:46:02,630 --> 02:46:01,200
oh that was it just the uh you know you

4018
02:46:03,990 --> 02:46:02,640
ask them something ask them if they've

4019
02:46:05,750 --> 02:46:04,000
you know got any you know if everybody's

4020
02:46:06,950 --> 02:46:05,760
given them and if they've taken anything

4021
02:46:08,150 --> 02:46:06,960
to say a certain thing and then when

4022
02:46:09,349 --> 02:46:08,160
they say no then you say would you

4023
02:46:11,269 --> 02:46:09,359
declare that every

4024
02:46:14,469 --> 02:46:11,279
or even a felony if they answer that one

4025
02:46:17,349 --> 02:46:14,479
well what i have done uh what i have

4026
02:46:18,550 --> 02:46:17,359
what i have done over the years

4027
02:46:23,510 --> 02:46:18,560
is

4028
02:46:25,910 --> 02:46:23,520
what i do

4029
02:46:27,670 --> 02:46:25,920
um i'm saying this publicly right now

4030
02:46:30,950 --> 02:46:27,680
for everybody to hear

4031
02:46:33,030 --> 02:46:30,960
so let's say

4032
02:46:35,590 --> 02:46:33,040
somebody says something to me

4033
02:46:37,269 --> 02:46:35,600
right okay

4034
02:46:38,870 --> 02:46:37,279
and

4035
02:46:41,349 --> 02:46:38,880
i go okay

4036
02:46:44,309 --> 02:46:41,359
i don't go public with it but what i

4037
02:46:46,710 --> 02:46:44,319
will do is i'll make a few different

4038
02:46:47,670 --> 02:46:46,720
phone calls to friends

4039
02:46:49,030 --> 02:46:47,680
and

4040
02:46:53,030 --> 02:46:49,040
trust them

4041
02:46:55,910 --> 02:46:53,040
and i will say and i believe me uh maybe

4042
02:46:57,670 --> 02:46:55,920
at some point on the air i will expose a

4043
02:47:00,150 --> 02:46:57,680
few of these individuals so that you can

4044
02:47:00,950 --> 02:47:00,160
understand exactly what i'm saying but i

4045
02:47:05,670 --> 02:47:00,960
will

4046
02:47:08,230 --> 02:47:05,680
okay man take out a pen okay

4047
02:47:09,190 --> 02:47:08,240
write this down

4048
02:47:10,469 --> 02:47:09,200
okay

4049
02:47:13,110 --> 02:47:10,479
well what does this mean don't worry

4050
02:47:15,349 --> 02:47:13,120
about it now underneath that just put a

4051
02:47:17,990 --> 02:47:15,359
date and put my name

4052
02:47:19,429 --> 02:47:18,000
okay all right and i'll do that three

4053
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:19,439
times

4054
02:47:26,550 --> 02:47:23,040
i'll call up some friends and and all i

4055
02:47:27,670 --> 02:47:26,560
want is for them to have this very

4056
02:47:28,950 --> 02:47:27,680
cryptic

4057
02:47:31,590 --> 02:47:28,960
thing

4058
02:47:32,830 --> 02:47:31,600
but the question is

4059
02:47:36,150 --> 02:47:32,840
will it go

4060
02:47:37,750 --> 02:47:36,160
public not for me

4061
02:47:40,150 --> 02:47:37,760
right not for me

4062
02:47:44,070 --> 02:47:40,160
but m is

4063
02:47:45,670 --> 02:47:44,080
is the information that i am being told

4064
02:47:47,750 --> 02:47:45,680
real

4065
02:47:48,870 --> 02:47:47,760
two things happen with that

4066
02:47:49,830 --> 02:47:48,880
one

4067
02:47:52,870 --> 02:47:49,840
if it

4068
02:47:55,830 --> 02:47:52,880
you know a month or two goes by and then

4069
02:47:57,990 --> 02:47:55,840
boom this information is confirmed then

4070
02:48:00,389 --> 02:47:58,000
i know my source

4071
02:48:03,590 --> 02:48:00,399
is telling me the truth

4072
02:48:06,389 --> 02:48:03,600
my source that gives me this information

4073
02:48:09,510 --> 02:48:06,399
also knows that they can trust me

4074
02:48:11,349 --> 02:48:09,520
that i didn't go public with it

4075
02:48:13,750 --> 02:48:11,359
right do you follow what i'm saying

4076
02:48:18,550 --> 02:48:16,950
i do this all the time and and i have to

4077
02:48:21,030 --> 02:48:18,560
so that's

4078
02:48:23,750 --> 02:48:21,040
that so i can

4079
02:48:25,269 --> 02:48:23,760
have a conversation with somebody that i

4080
02:48:28,230 --> 02:48:25,279
actually trust

4081
02:48:30,790 --> 02:48:28,240
because i went and and and did things in

4082
02:48:32,550 --> 02:48:30,800
in this fashion and i do it i do it

4083
02:48:36,469 --> 02:48:32,560
constantly

4084
02:48:37,590 --> 02:48:36,479
and um i i don't keep things on my

4085
02:48:38,790 --> 02:48:37,600
computer

4086
02:48:41,190 --> 02:48:38,800
i don't

4087
02:48:43,510 --> 02:48:41,200
um if anything comes in that sensitive

4088
02:48:46,150 --> 02:48:43,520
it's erased uh

4089
02:48:47,510 --> 02:48:46,160
and i keep it up i i keep it up here i i

4090
02:48:50,790 --> 02:48:47,520
just don't want it

4091
02:48:52,390 --> 02:48:50,800
you know and it i i'm not i'm not gonna

4092
02:48:54,710 --> 02:48:52,400
be part of some subpoena

4093
02:48:56,710 --> 02:48:54,720
[Laughter]

4094
02:48:59,269 --> 02:48:56,720
you know we said this to jimmy no you

4095
02:49:01,030 --> 02:48:59,279
did not and i don't know i knew

4096
02:49:03,910 --> 02:49:01,040
right well anyway i have no recollection

4097
02:49:06,870 --> 02:49:03,920
yeah zero zero recollection

4098
02:49:08,950 --> 02:49:06,880
and and and i and i just i just handle

4099
02:49:12,389 --> 02:49:08,960
my business that way

4100
02:49:15,990 --> 02:49:12,399
and i am able to navigate through this

4101
02:49:20,230 --> 02:49:18,309
and uh that's that's my way of dealing

4102
02:49:21,750 --> 02:49:20,240
with it lafayette and

4103
02:49:26,070 --> 02:49:21,760
um

4104
02:49:27,750 --> 02:49:26,080
am am i special no no i'm i'm a freaking

4105
02:49:33,269 --> 02:49:27,760
entertainer

4106
02:49:35,830 --> 02:49:33,279
right i'm not a nuclear physicist i'm

4107
02:49:38,469 --> 02:49:35,840
not i'm not an astronomer i'm not

4108
02:49:42,469 --> 02:49:38,479
uh i was never in the military or law

4109
02:49:45,030 --> 02:49:42,479
enforcement or or secret this or that no

4110
02:49:46,150 --> 02:49:45,040
no i'm just a dude trying to seek

4111
02:49:47,830 --> 02:49:46,160
answers

4112
02:49:49,750 --> 02:49:47,840
so well you're also a first amendment

4113
02:49:51,429 --> 02:49:49,760
free press too jimmy you'd provide a

4114
02:49:53,429 --> 02:49:51,439
service to the public

4115
02:49:56,710 --> 02:49:53,439
and kept it under the first amendment

4116
02:49:57,670 --> 02:49:56,720
and and you have to be uh very careful

4117
02:50:02,550 --> 02:49:57,680
with that

4118
02:50:06,389 --> 02:50:02,560
you have to be very very very careful

4119
02:50:07,590 --> 02:50:06,399
um i don't ever want to get caught up in

4120
02:50:09,190 --> 02:50:07,600
um

4121
02:50:11,190 --> 02:50:09,200
something that

4122
02:50:13,190 --> 02:50:11,200
everybody else is caught up in whether

4123
02:50:15,349 --> 02:50:13,200
it's a conspiracy theory it's some crazy

4124
02:50:17,590 --> 02:50:15,359
idea and people are talking about it and

4125
02:50:18,790 --> 02:50:17,600
i turn around and i echo chamber that on

4126
02:50:20,790 --> 02:50:18,800
this show

4127
02:50:23,269 --> 02:50:20,800
and and i try to be a part of the

4128
02:50:24,950 --> 02:50:23,279
sensationalism and and get caught up in

4129
02:50:27,030 --> 02:50:24,960
in all of that

4130
02:50:28,870 --> 02:50:27,040
um and then it turns out to aid not be

4131
02:50:32,150 --> 02:50:28,880
true or that people were hurt by that or

4132
02:50:33,910 --> 02:50:32,160
maybe somebody died or whatever that and

4133
02:50:36,550 --> 02:50:33,920
in the end

4134
02:50:38,070 --> 02:50:36,560
um it was wrong i don't want to be ever

4135
02:50:39,429 --> 02:50:38,080
caught up in that

4136
02:50:41,269 --> 02:50:39,439
it's just

4137
02:50:44,309 --> 02:50:41,279
these are my choices

4138
02:50:46,389 --> 02:50:44,319
uh others out there that that aren't

4139
02:50:47,670 --> 02:50:46,399
smart enough to think about that and the

4140
02:50:49,670 --> 02:50:47,680
implications

4141
02:50:52,469 --> 02:50:49,680
i'm here for the marathon i'm not here

4142
02:50:54,550 --> 02:50:52,479
for the short race and in the short game

4143
02:50:57,030 --> 02:50:54,560
no no not at all

4144
02:50:58,630 --> 02:50:57,040
and uh i'm i'm going to ride this to the

4145
02:51:00,710 --> 02:50:58,640
wheels fall off

4146
02:51:02,469 --> 02:51:00,720
and and i'm going to get the answers

4147
02:51:04,950 --> 02:51:02,479
that i seek but i'm good i'm going to do

4148
02:51:07,349 --> 02:51:04,960
it the right way and i've learned look

4149
02:51:08,870 --> 02:51:07,359
i'm far from perfect lafayette i've made

4150
02:51:10,870 --> 02:51:08,880
my mistakes over the years and people

4151
02:51:11,750 --> 02:51:10,880
have seen me do this in public

4152
02:51:13,190 --> 02:51:11,760
and

4153
02:51:15,830 --> 02:51:13,200
it's never fun

4154
02:51:18,790 --> 02:51:15,840
uh when you go through those things but

4155
02:51:22,790 --> 02:51:18,800
i'm not judge or jury and it's not my

4156
02:51:24,389 --> 02:51:22,800
job to vet everybody or every story or

4157
02:51:26,309 --> 02:51:24,399
or things that's that's not my job

4158
02:51:29,349 --> 02:51:26,319
that's the public's job that's the

4159
02:51:31,349 --> 02:51:29,359
justice systems job the court system

4160
02:51:33,190 --> 02:51:31,359
let them deal with that it's simply not

4161
02:51:35,750 --> 02:51:33,200
my job but

4162
02:51:38,550 --> 02:51:35,760
i do have to remain objective and

4163
02:51:42,150 --> 02:51:38,560
absolutely use discernment and it's a

4164
02:51:44,950 --> 02:51:42,160
lesson that uh even i have had to learn

4165
02:51:46,389 --> 02:51:44,960
um and it's tough to go through that

4166
02:51:48,389 --> 02:51:46,399
but but

4167
02:51:49,269 --> 02:51:48,399
look i'm here

4168
02:51:51,190 --> 02:51:49,279
uh

4169
02:51:54,870 --> 02:51:51,200
almost 10 years later we started the

4170
02:51:57,590 --> 02:51:54,880
show in 2013 we're in 2022

4171
02:52:00,710 --> 02:51:57,600
and i've learned a lot

4172
02:52:02,429 --> 02:52:00,720
after 2 000 shows

4173
02:52:05,030 --> 02:52:02,439
you know that's that's

4174
02:52:07,670 --> 02:52:05,040
crazy to me

4175
02:52:10,550 --> 02:52:07,680
and and a lot of work and it is and it

4176
02:52:13,190 --> 02:52:10,560
it's it's a big accumulation of

4177
02:52:15,030 --> 02:52:13,200
knowledge i was thinking you know what

4178
02:52:16,630 --> 02:52:15,040
i've got other calls on hold lafayette

4179
02:52:18,389 --> 02:52:16,640
behave be well

4180
02:52:21,110 --> 02:52:18,399
let me get i could talk about this all

4181
02:52:24,550 --> 02:52:21,120
night because i'm so passionate about it

4182
02:52:25,830 --> 02:52:24,560
and um and i i

4183
02:52:28,230 --> 02:52:25,840
uh

4184
02:52:30,550 --> 02:52:28,240
through the emotional week that all of

4185
02:52:32,790 --> 02:52:30,560
us have gone through which started on

4186
02:52:35,190 --> 02:52:32,800
monday leading into you know christmas

4187
02:52:37,510 --> 02:52:35,200
eve and we have yesterday and then the

4188
02:52:41,190 --> 02:52:37,520
aftermath of everything i'm just like

4189
02:52:43,510 --> 02:52:41,200
everybody else you know i'm excited some

4190
02:52:45,750 --> 02:52:43,520
are negative some are positive

4191
02:52:48,309 --> 02:52:45,760
uh i happen to be on the positive side

4192
02:52:49,830 --> 02:52:48,319
of things i'm i'm happy i want more

4193
02:52:51,910 --> 02:52:49,840
but i went through this just like

4194
02:52:54,630 --> 02:52:51,920
everybody else did right

4195
02:52:56,870 --> 02:52:54,640
and that's it that's it and

4196
02:52:58,309 --> 02:52:56,880
and and that's just who i am and that's

4197
02:53:01,510 --> 02:52:58,319
that's what the show has always been

4198
02:53:03,590 --> 02:53:01,520
based on and and certainly like i said i

4199
02:53:04,550 --> 02:53:03,600
i'm not perfect and i try to improve

4200
02:53:07,110 --> 02:53:04,560
something

4201
02:53:08,230 --> 02:53:07,120
every single day and and try to do

4202
02:53:13,269 --> 02:53:08,240
better

4203
02:53:14,550 --> 02:53:13,279
than it was yesterday and last week and

4204
02:53:18,070 --> 02:53:14,560
last year

4205
02:53:20,469 --> 02:53:18,080
um and and i think to some degree we've

4206
02:53:22,950 --> 02:53:20,479
we've succeeded in that and and for me

4207
02:53:26,389 --> 02:53:22,960
personally i've had that same growth

4208
02:53:29,349 --> 02:53:26,399
and if you look back at

4209
02:53:31,030 --> 02:53:29,359
at the way that i dealt with things in

4210
02:53:34,150 --> 02:53:31,040
2014

4211
02:53:36,309 --> 02:53:34,160
not and not things more like subjects

4212
02:53:40,309 --> 02:53:36,319
how i was asking questions about egypt

4213
02:53:42,070 --> 02:53:40,319
or time travel or or ufos or e.t or

4214
02:53:43,429 --> 02:53:42,080
ghosts whatever you know life after

4215
02:53:45,190 --> 02:53:43,439
death whatever these

4216
02:53:47,349 --> 02:53:45,200
crystals dreams

4217
02:53:48,630 --> 02:53:47,359
um and the way that i handle things

4218
02:53:51,429 --> 02:53:48,640
today

4219
02:53:53,670 --> 02:53:51,439
um i'm i'm a different person

4220
02:53:57,349 --> 02:53:53,680
and i've done this

4221
02:54:00,790 --> 02:53:57,359
this this this growth period that i know

4222
02:54:01,590 --> 02:54:00,800
that my audience has done the exact same

4223
02:54:03,190 --> 02:54:01,600
thing

4224
02:54:05,269 --> 02:54:03,200
because they've been along with me on

4225
02:54:08,389 --> 02:54:05,279
the journey and and they've seen that

4226
02:54:09,990 --> 02:54:08,399
that's a very savvy audience oh yeah 100

4227
02:54:11,349 --> 02:54:10,000
oh man we got the best audience in the

4228
02:54:12,550 --> 02:54:11,359
world there's no question about it in

4229
02:54:15,830 --> 02:54:12,560
fact your

4230
02:54:18,309 --> 02:54:15,840
audience knows full disclosure

4231
02:54:20,389 --> 02:54:18,319
my audience you know what though yeah

4232
02:54:22,550 --> 02:54:20,399
and i've been

4233
02:54:25,190 --> 02:54:22,560
they know the question that i'm going to

4234
02:54:26,469 --> 02:54:25,200
ask before i ask it

4235
02:54:28,550 --> 02:54:26,479
that's how

4236
02:54:31,750 --> 02:54:28,560
engaged they are

4237
02:54:33,670 --> 02:54:31,760
and and and how well they know me

4238
02:54:35,830 --> 02:54:33,680
here's a tip jimmy on how you can access

4239
02:54:38,389 --> 02:54:35,840
it you could you can combine remote

4240
02:54:40,309 --> 02:54:38,399
viewing with the wisdom of crowds wave a

4241
02:54:41,510 --> 02:54:40,319
question in an envelope with a number on

4242
02:54:43,750 --> 02:54:41,520
it in front of the camera and have

4243
02:54:46,150 --> 02:54:43,760
people send you you know three or four

4244
02:54:48,950 --> 02:54:46,160
lines on on their remote viewing what's

4245
02:54:51,269 --> 02:54:48,960
in that envelope to an email address and

4246
02:54:53,510 --> 02:54:51,279
then you you'll you'll recreate this you

4247
02:54:55,670 --> 02:54:53,520
know you can't get an ingo swan but but

4248
02:54:56,389 --> 02:54:55,680
by the wisdom of crowds like you hold up

4249
02:55:03,670 --> 02:54:56,399
a

4250
02:55:04,950 --> 02:55:03,680
correct

4251
02:55:06,870 --> 02:55:04,960
so the same thing could be done with

4252
02:55:08,630 --> 02:55:06,880
full disclosure and all the things the

4253
02:55:10,070 --> 02:55:08,640
government's hiding from us

4254
02:55:11,429 --> 02:55:10,080
they're probably pee in their pants at

4255
02:55:15,110 --> 02:55:11,439
the idea of this

4256
02:55:17,590 --> 02:55:15,120
what kind of weed are you smoking

4257
02:55:20,389 --> 02:55:17,600
just tell me right now what's it called

4258
02:55:23,429 --> 02:55:20,399
i just want to know what it's called

4259
02:55:26,070 --> 02:55:23,439
uh well uh i have several varieties yeah

4260
02:55:28,070 --> 02:55:26,080
part of my religion

4261
02:55:30,309 --> 02:55:28,080
but i mean you know they don't like uh

4262
02:55:32,389 --> 02:55:30,319
remote viewing they shut down our our

4263
02:55:35,670 --> 02:55:32,399
military's program we know it works and

4264
02:55:38,230 --> 02:55:35,680
the fader knots could could do it

4265
02:55:40,389 --> 02:55:38,240
i think so why not

4266
02:55:42,070 --> 02:55:40,399
why not we'll see in there yeah i can

4267
02:55:43,750 --> 02:55:42,080
interpret them but i mean you'll you'll

4268
02:55:45,670 --> 02:55:43,760
still get it you can make a show out of

4269
02:55:48,550 --> 02:55:45,680
it if you're getting it but there there

4270
02:55:50,469 --> 02:55:48,560
is but there's another reason why

4271
02:55:52,150 --> 02:55:50,479
and it may not be what you're thinking

4272
02:55:53,670 --> 02:55:52,160
there's a reason why

4273
02:55:55,750 --> 02:55:53,680
all of that is possible with this

4274
02:55:57,910 --> 02:55:55,760
audience

4275
02:55:59,910 --> 02:55:57,920
they are

4276
02:56:04,150 --> 02:55:59,920
backed through to me

4277
02:56:06,309 --> 02:56:04,160
they are all electronically connected

4278
02:56:08,630 --> 02:56:06,319
all right so this spiderweb of the show

4279
02:56:10,309 --> 02:56:08,640
right it's all going out yep internet

4280
02:56:12,790 --> 02:56:10,319
the thing the

4281
02:56:14,950 --> 02:56:12,800
synthetic entanglement

4282
02:56:18,389 --> 02:56:14,960
they're all there man

4283
02:56:20,230 --> 02:56:18,399
and so there is a direct connection as

4284
02:56:22,070 --> 02:56:20,240
opposed to

4285
02:56:24,150 --> 02:56:22,080
somebody that's sitting on you know the

4286
02:56:26,230 --> 02:56:24,160
other side of the world and they're not

4287
02:56:28,950 --> 02:56:26,240
listening to the show in real time you

4288
02:56:31,830 --> 02:56:28,960
know that element of connection is gone

4289
02:56:35,269 --> 02:56:31,840
but here on this show where you've got

4290
02:56:37,510 --> 02:56:35,279
200 300 000 people that are all at this

4291
02:56:41,190 --> 02:56:37,520
very same time listening to the show

4292
02:56:43,429 --> 02:56:41,200
it's not just youtube youtube is a very

4293
02:56:44,870 --> 02:56:43,439
tiny flick

4294
02:56:47,590 --> 02:56:44,880
of our audience

4295
02:56:50,389 --> 02:56:47,600
right it's it's it's talk stream live

4296
02:56:52,550 --> 02:56:50,399
it's uh it's kunx

4297
02:56:54,950 --> 02:56:52,560
it's you know how many people are on my

4298
02:56:57,269 --> 02:56:54,960
website right now how many people are

4299
02:56:59,429 --> 02:56:57,279
listening on i heart how many people are

4300
02:57:01,990 --> 02:56:59,439
listening on spotify or

4301
02:57:05,349 --> 02:57:02,000
or apple or google

4302
02:57:08,870 --> 02:57:05,359
um tune in i can i could go on and on

4303
02:57:11,990 --> 02:57:08,880
and on it's a big audience and they're

4304
02:57:13,750 --> 02:57:12,000
all through the spider web all connected

4305
02:57:16,469 --> 02:57:13,760
at the same time

4306
02:57:18,790 --> 02:57:16,479
thinking about the same things

4307
02:57:23,429 --> 02:57:20,830
oh man it's it's it's an

4308
02:57:25,750 --> 02:57:23,439
entanglement test experiment of

4309
02:57:29,590 --> 02:57:25,760
measurement and i i totally agree with

4310
02:57:32,230 --> 02:57:29,600
you maybe we should do just that

4311
02:57:34,230 --> 02:57:32,240
there's got to be a way to do it

4312
02:57:35,429 --> 02:57:34,240
so i couldn't believe

4313
02:57:38,150 --> 02:57:35,439
i couldn't believe they gave three to

4314
02:57:40,150 --> 02:57:38,160
four pipes that the deep state in in our

4315
02:57:42,469 --> 02:57:40,160
government are nazis that's just so

4316
02:57:44,389 --> 02:57:42,479
right on that that's i promise every

4317
02:57:45,990 --> 02:57:44,399
conspiracy i i deal with which oh it's

4318
02:57:49,349 --> 02:57:46,000
probably a nazi as a place holder and

4319
02:57:52,469 --> 02:57:50,070
your affiliate

4320
02:57:54,070 --> 02:57:52,479
is savvy your audience is very savvy i

4321
02:57:55,830 --> 02:57:54,080
have no idea where you're going with

4322
02:57:57,670 --> 02:57:55,840
that but here's the thing well that was

4323
02:57:59,750 --> 02:57:57,680
on conspiracy when you were you did that

4324
02:58:01,750 --> 02:57:59,760
once who the date of state was oh we did

4325
02:58:03,269 --> 02:58:01,760
we did we actually did that yeah that

4326
02:58:05,030 --> 02:58:03,279
was like a year ago or something yeah

4327
02:58:07,190 --> 02:58:05,040
okay all right i was just surprised

4328
02:58:08,710 --> 02:58:07,200
because that's that's pretty savvy see

4329
02:58:10,710 --> 02:58:08,720
you you don't know what kind of weed

4330
02:58:13,670 --> 02:58:10,720
jason is smoking that's that's a whole

4331
02:58:16,389 --> 02:58:13,680
nother category but here's the thing um

4332
02:58:19,830 --> 02:58:16,399
so i would have the envelope with the

4333
02:58:21,750 --> 02:58:19,840
information in it i hold it up write up

4334
02:58:23,670 --> 02:58:21,760
20 like 20 questions so you don't even

4335
02:58:25,110 --> 02:58:23,680
know what's in the envelope and just mix

4336
02:58:27,269 --> 02:58:25,120
them up and write numbers on it is it

4337
02:58:29,590 --> 02:58:27,279
the double blind part of remote viewing

4338
02:58:31,830 --> 02:58:29,600
but who does the guesses the audience in

4339
02:58:34,150 --> 02:58:31,840
the chat room or on twitter well they

4340
02:58:37,110 --> 02:58:34,160
can well they would send it into a email

4341
02:58:39,590 --> 02:58:37,120
address that you drew no no no no no no

4342
02:58:42,469 --> 02:58:39,600
lafayette you lost sight of it see you

4343
02:58:45,190 --> 02:58:42,479
had it i have the envelope i have the

4344
02:58:49,590 --> 02:58:45,200
information in it we're remote viewing

4345
02:58:52,070 --> 02:58:49,600
and i want the audience to remote view

4346
02:58:53,670 --> 02:58:52,080
what is in this envelope

4347
02:58:55,429 --> 02:58:53,680
that's what right but the problem is

4348
02:58:56,950 --> 02:58:55,439
they have to do it separately because

4349
02:58:59,190 --> 02:58:56,960
they'll be influenced by other people's

4350
02:59:01,590 --> 02:58:59,200
guesses well that's fine but somebody's

4351
02:59:03,590 --> 02:59:01,600
gonna get it right or maybe they won't

4352
02:59:05,990 --> 02:59:03,600
anyway i gotta go i gotta go before we

4353
02:59:08,070 --> 02:59:06,000
get kicked off thanksgiving behave and

4354
02:59:09,349 --> 02:59:08,080
be well lafayette that's lafayette

4355
02:59:11,510 --> 02:59:09,359
coming to us

4356
02:59:12,950 --> 02:59:11,520
from somewhere in the state of

4357
02:59:14,870 --> 02:59:12,960
california

4358
02:59:18,630 --> 02:59:14,880
i am your host jimmy church what a great

4359
02:59:21,269 --> 02:59:18,640
show tonight uh the film is called ariel

4360
02:59:23,750 --> 02:59:21,279
phenomenon and it is absolutely

4361
02:59:25,750 --> 02:59:23,760
extraordinary i've said it so many times

4362
02:59:28,070 --> 02:59:25,760
and i've seen it three times

4363
02:59:31,110 --> 02:59:28,080
i can watch it as many times as i want

4364
02:59:32,950 --> 02:59:31,120
by the way it's a great film it releases

4365
02:59:36,910 --> 02:59:32,960
may 20th we've got the links up

4366
02:59:38,950 --> 02:59:36,920
throughout social media and over at

4367
02:59:41,030 --> 02:59:38,960
jimmychurchradio.com pre-order the film

4368
02:59:43,349 --> 02:59:41,040
get it i can't wait to hear your

4369
02:59:44,870 --> 02:59:43,359
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4370
02:59:46,550 --> 02:59:44,880
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4371
02:59:48,790 --> 02:59:46,560
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4372
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4373
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4374
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4375
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4376
02:59:59,190 --> 02:59:57,760
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4377
03:00:00,750 --> 02:59:59,200
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4378
03:00:03,110 --> 03:00:00,760
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4380
03:00:07,110 --> 03:00:05,040
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4381
03:00:08,870 --> 03:00:07,120
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4382
03:00:10,389 --> 03:00:08,880
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03:00:11,670 --> 03:00:10,399
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4384
03:00:13,590 --> 03:00:11,680
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4385
03:00:16,950 --> 03:00:13,600
jimmy church tomorrow night's fader

4386
03:00:20,630 --> 03:00:16,960
night open lines all night long

4387
03:00:35,760 --> 03:00:20,640
until then i want everybody to be safe